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Brings back some memories of the webserver Roxen that had a GUI, if I remember correctly. It still seems to be semi-alive, although the download page looks broken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxen_(web_server) EDIT: Github repo https://github.com/pikelang/Roxen
Lots of people questioning what Pike brings to the table. Be aware that Pike has been around for over 31 years [1]. It's kind of dead now and a lot of people have moved over to Lua[2] (which is over 32 years old!). So long ago, that it took me a minute to recall having programmed a lot of CGI code with it, back in the Roxen web server[3] days. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_(programming_language)#Hi... 2. http…
* The Roxen web server
* The Opera Mini backend service (150k CPU cores, 5k servers, 150k pageloads/s, 3 million inline fetches per second, 100+ Gbit/s - 15 years ago)
I worked on both of those projects. Now I mostly program in Python. It's perhaps like 10x slower to run on average but since it won there's a module or three for anything so building stuff is faster.
Yay progress.
Lots of people questioning what Pike brings to the table. Be aware that Pike has been around for over 31 years [1]. It's kind of dead now and a lot of people have moved over to Lua[2] (which is over 32 years old!). So long ago, that it took me a minute to recall having programmed a lot of CGI code with it, back in the Roxen web server[3] days. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_(programming_language)#Hi... 2. http…
It was great for certain niche applications, like: * The Roxen web server * The Opera Mini backend service (150k CPU cores, 5k servers, 150k pageloads/s, 3 million inline fetches per second, 100+ Gbit/s - 15 years ago) I worked on both of those projects. Now I mostly program in Python. It's perhaps like 10x slower to run on average but since it won there's a module or three for anything so building stuff is faster. Y…
I was just browsing the "Module tree reference" for Pike. There seems to be a crazy amount of modules for the language. Weirdly enough for web there's only CGI (and WebSockets for some reason), and the CGI module isn't really documented. Under protocols there seems to be everything I ever need.
the question i always ask: WHY anther language.
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It was great for certain niche applications, like: * The Roxen web server * The Opera Mini backend service (150k CPU cores, 5k servers, 150k pageloads/s, 3 million inline fetches per second, 100+ Gbit/s - 15 years ago) I worked on both of those projects. Now I mostly program in Python. It's perhaps like 10x slower to run on average but since it won there's a module or three for anything so building stuff is faster. Y…
> since it won there's a module or three for anything. I was just browsing the "Module tree reference" for Pike. There seems to be a crazy amount of modules for the language. Weirdly enough for web there's only CGI (and WebSockets for some reason), and the CGI module isn't really documented. Under protocols there seems to be everything I ever need.
But we were too busy having fun building the language to "market" it. This became a pattern.
Lots of people questioning what Pike brings to the table. Be aware that Pike has been around for over 31 years [1]. It's kind of dead now and a lot of people have moved over to Lua[2] (which is over 32 years old!). So long ago, that it took me a minute to recall having programmed a lot of CGI code with it, back in the Roxen web server[3] days. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_(programming_language)#Hi... 2. http…
Why is it likely currently receiving traction on HN? Is there an effort to revive it amongst developers, or has something changed that would make it more relevant now?
Lots of people questioning what Pike brings to the table. Be aware that Pike has been around for over 31 years [1]. It's kind of dead now and a lot of people have moved over to Lua[2] (which is over 32 years old!). So long ago, that it took me a minute to recall having programmed a lot of CGI code with it, back in the Roxen web server[3] days. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_(programming_language)#Hi... 2. http…
It was great for certain niche applications, like: * The Roxen web server * The Opera Mini backend service (150k CPU cores, 5k servers, 150k pageloads/s, 3 million inline fetches per second, 100+ Gbit/s - 15 years ago) I worked on both of those projects. Now I mostly program in Python. It's perhaps like 10x slower to run on average but since it won there's a module or three for anything so building stuff is faster. Y…
On the web dev front, Python was lucky to get easy bolted-on async I/O (via greenlets), so it was more performant than Ruby (which was really slow 10 years ago), and Django was less magical than RoR.
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It was great for certain niche applications, like: * The Roxen web server * The Opera Mini backend service (150k CPU cores, 5k servers, 150k pageloads/s, 3 million inline fetches per second, 100+ Gbit/s - 15 years ago) I worked on both of those projects. Now I mostly program in Python. It's perhaps like 10x slower to run on average but since it won there's a module or three for anything so building stuff is faster. Y…
Python won because of its C interface was easy, so it's got Numpy, Scipy, Pytorch, OpenCV bindings, etc. For these use cases, the speed of the interpreter is mostly irrelevant. On the web dev front, Python was lucky to get easy bolted-on async I/O (via greenlets), so it was more performant than Ruby (which was really slow 10 years ago), and Django was less magical than RoR.
python likely caught up and overtook pike because it had better community support. one downside of pike is that it is slow to start, making it less convenient for quick scripts, which python was a lot better at, so python was more likely to replace perl in sysadmin work where short scripts matter more further helping its popularity.
Of all the strengths that Java and C have, I would not call syntax one of them. :) So this title seems quite strange. Not the sales pitch I would make. It is understandable though, considering this language is 30+ years old. Probably not the decision you would make if you were to design it today: Switch statement with labels+fallthrough instead of a switch/match expression (even Java replaced that one with a switch e…
i am not a fan of the C syntax myself, but at the time, i was mostly familiar with it, and i wasn't even considering the idea that there could be a better syntax.
later though i did develop a preparser that would allow me to write pike in a python like syntax. it was a hack made as an april fools joke. but it was actually working. it was called nessie.
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From what I remember of working with Pike, the best part was probably the included image module. Maybe I will install Pike again just to see if I still like it. https://pike.lysator.liu.se/docs/man/chapter_13.html
Turns out there is no Pike package for FreeBSD, no port, and the Pike git repository has a FreeBSD subdirectory last updated 22 years ago. But ./configure && gmake && gmake install seemed to work, or at least it runs and nothing weird has happened so far.
http://pike.lysator.liu.se/development/pikefarm/8.0.xml
http://pike.lysator.liu.se/development/pikefarm/9.0.xml
if you dig through you'll find 3 or 4 failed tests out of thousands.