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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by spooneybarger »

m1keil wrote: post #12

Anyone used both Kagi assistant and perplexity and can share how was the experience?

I use both. I only pay for Kagi because I have many models I can use and I can set up different contexts to use them in.

I rarely use Kagi search anymore and instead search via assistant. Both it and perplexity give me much better results than I get from a traditional search engine.

I've never been great at getting what I want from search engines. With assistant and perplexity, I type plain English with context and get what I am looking for a large chunk of the time. That's a godsend to me.

I've found things that assistant does that make it worth paying for. I often use perplexity but what I use it for (deep research) isn't valuable enough at the time to pay for.

I like the perplexity iOS app a lot and use it almost exclusively on my phone which isn't enough use to necessitate needing a subscription.

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Post by sevg »

7bit wrote: post #55
colonial wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Revenue != profit. Discord, like almost every 2010s SaaS startup, has revenue (from your Nitro) - but not nearly enough to cover expenses.

Not enough to cover expenses? Do you understand what you're saying? That they're running a deficit for 15 years. Companies must make profit, or they vanish. They clearly make a profit, otherwise they would no longer exist.

This is a big misconception (though not one I’m used to seeing in the HN crowd).

Companies can operate at a deficit for many years without vanishing, usually because they have venture capital funding or investor backing.

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Post by mjamesaustin »

TekMol wrote: post #48
dharmab wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a feature where you can search anonymously, using IETF's Privacy Pass standard: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

That looks super complicated. And hard to tell if the cryptography works as intended. Why would I go through all that hassle if I can just type my query directly in other search engines?

Because the other search engines offer no privacy and relentlessly track everything you do across the internet?

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Post by MrJohz »

7bit wrote: post #55
colonial wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Revenue != profit. Discord, like almost every 2010s SaaS startup, has revenue (from your Nitro) - but not nearly enough to cover expenses.

Not enough to cover expenses? Do you understand what you're saying? That they're running a deficit for 15 years. Companies must make profit, or they vanish. They clearly make a profit, otherwise they would no longer exist.

I'm not a business person, so take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that this is common for a lot of smaller startups and tech companies.

If you can raise funds outside of revenue (i.e. outside of directly selling your products), you can keep operating even if you're not actually generating any income directly. Typically that will be in the form of investment and loans. So even if your expenses (incl. repayments for outstanding loans etc) are higher than your revenue, you can stay in business as long as you can convince enough investors that it's still worth their while to give you their money.

I don't know whether this is true for Discord specifically, but I understand it's a fairly common strategy, especially for companies where their best chance of success is by being the only player in a given market.

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Post by bayindirh »

greatgib wrote: post #39

Obviously I'm happy to benefit from being able to use most model "for free" in my paid non ultimate account. But I'm concerned that this will not rot the business model like that kind of thing happen for other services. I would have preferred that the full of my subscription cost goes to the core feature of developing the search engine and directly the related feature. And as of today, I pay a separate premium if I'm…

From my experience, Kagi always prefer to "trickle down" features to lower tiers . First they removed search limits from some plans without increasing the price. Now they're allowing to use the AI assistant, if you want.

The gist is, when you don't use the AI assistant, you still pay the base price, and that money goes to R&D, since your subscription money doesn't go to AI providers in the first place.

For example, I have no interest in AI assistant, and I won't use it. As a result, my support will Kagi won't change.

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Post by jeffhuys »

viraptor wrote: post #2

If the staff sees this - please stop preventing zoom. Not only is that bad for accessibility, it makes the article less useful for everyone - there's a screenshot included showing off the feature, but it's too small to read on the phone and I can't zoom in.

What browser prevents this actually? None of the browsers (even mobile) I just quickly tested just... worked? No extensions.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by TekMol »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #63
TekMol wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That looks super complicated. And hard to tell if the cryptography works as intended. Why would I go through all that hassle if I can just type my query directly in other search engines?

Because the other search engines offer no privacy and relentlessly track everything you do across the internet?

How do you know they do that? And how do you know Kagi does not?

Whatever the engines secretly do, why would I use one where on top of that I have to actively tag every one of my searches with my email?

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Post by [deleted] »

qwertox wrote: post #45

I was given a free month of Kagi to test, and it had so many rough edges that during the last days of of the trial I was already using Google again. Notable issues for me: - maps (from Mapbox) are really bad. Sluggish performance and lack of information - barely any info boxes - no translation feature ("gründonnerstag englisch") gives me links to leo.org (which was a cool site in the 00s) and to other sites, but Goog…

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Post by crossroadsguy »

jen729w wrote: post #10
C4stor wrote: post #9

The "fair use" part takes a lot of place in this article. It talks a lot about what happens if you use more tokens than what you're allowed, but curiously doesn't pip a word about what happens if you use less - for example maybe with a partial rebate on your next billing cycle ? I think "fair" should mean "fair for all parties involved", currently it's rather a "we don't want to incur any risk" policy, since I don't…

As an existing happy subscriber to Kagi, this statement is illogical. I currently pay for x. Soon I’ll get x + y for the same money. That’s better.

"As an existing happy subscriber" -- goodness! Even after years of seeing what happens after such illogical evangelism, hn never ceases to surprise you and brings the fandom out in full force. It's like with Apple. You say once "your phone switches on and off on its own - maybe something is amiss with the hw/sw" and there are dozens of replies already blaming you "you must be holding it wrong!". It's a whole new level of apologism.
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