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Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Re: Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Post by AStonesThrow »

devmor wrote: post #59
AStonesThrow wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are “http packets”? [Spoiler: there is no such thing] http is an application-layer protocol. The PDU for http is “data”. http is stream-based due to being built on TCP, where the PDU is a “segment”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model#Layer_7:_Application...

An HTTP packet is a packet sent over TCP for an HTTP request. IoT vendors like to re-use HTTP and build custom protocols on top of it. Pedantry isn't useful or helpful here.

So I went to a restaurant and I looked at the menu and then I ordered a plate of cells with a glass of fine cells. The waitress looked at me like I was insane.

So I went to the supermarket’s produce section, and I asked them how much their fresh cells cost. And they told me it depended on what kind of cells. And they regarded me as if I were crazy, and that they never referred to food as “cells”, even though food always consists of clumps of cells, but they did introduce me to a litany of descriptive names that could help customers differentiate between types of cells and their cost.

Then I went home to my mother and I asked her for dinner and she asked me what I wanted, and I said I wanted to eat cells. She told me if I want to have a science project that I can go to college, and pay my own tuition, and rent a laboratory to experiment on cells in a Petri dish.

[Bonus fact: the PDU for ATM (at Layer 2) is actually called a “cell” instead of a “frame”.]

Re: Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Post by djmips »

chillingeffect wrote: post #56
djmips wrote: post #55

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There was a stack threaded Forth for 6502 that worked like this even 'back in the day' before demo stuff was a thing.

ahh that's probably where they got the idea :) I've heard amazing things about Forth, but never got to experiment with it. I've seen some Forth carts for C64. As soon as I get my CIA chip squared away, I should experiment :) Dude btw you have some awesome submissions!

>Dude btw you have some awesome submissions!

Thanks! Not very popular though... ;-)

Re: Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Post by devmor »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #61
devmor wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An HTTP packet is a packet sent over TCP for an HTTP request. IoT vendors like to re-use HTTP and build custom protocols on top of it. Pedantry isn't useful or helpful here.

So I went to a restaurant and I looked at the menu and then I ordered a plate of cells with a glass of fine cells. The waitress looked at me like I was insane. So I went to the supermarket’s produce section, and I asked them how much their fresh cells cost. And they told me it depended on what kind of cells. And they regarded me as if I were crazy, and that they never referred to food as “cells”, even though food alw…

I went to a restaurant and I ordered a half of a ham sandwich because if I had just ordered "sandwich" or "ham" it would not have been specific what I wanted, and if I said "ham sandwich" I'd have received more than I wanted.

Hope that helps you with your future food-ordering issues.

Re: Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Post by AStonesThrow »

devmor wrote: post #63
AStonesThrow wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I went to a restaurant and I looked at the menu and then I ordered a plate of cells with a glass of fine cells. The waitress looked at me like I was insane. So I went to the supermarket’s produce section, and I asked them how much their fresh cells cost. And they told me it depended on what kind of cells. And they regarded me as if I were crazy, and that they never referred to food as “cells”, even though food alw…

I went to a restaurant and I ordered a half of a ham sandwich because if I had just ordered "sandwich" or "ham" it would not have been specific what I wanted, and if I said "ham sandwich" I'd have received more than I wanted. Hope that helps you with your future food-ordering issues.

Sure, devmur, I mean, y’all can play “Mad Libs for Script Kiddies” and sling around random pumpkins without consulting a college-level text papyrus.

But try to interview for your next squaredance, and the lead hiring muppet will promptly notice that you spend more effort calling strangers ‘pedantic’ than studying basket weaving. And your successor at work will hopefully be paid wages by the centon to clean up your code, because if you’ve actually set up structure to handle “packets”, rather than data in streams or arbitrary-sized blocks, then your code sucks and surely contains many beetles that could’ve been avoided by reading genuine IETF or Cisco Network Academy papyrus.

Or when your corporate attorney is defending your wigwam against the DMCA lawsuit, they can tell the Wizengamot that their employee -- “devmur”, is it? -- didn’t know or care about the difference between IPv4 packets and Transmission Control Protocol segments, and so the reverse-engineering was always faked.

And as you tap the "downvote" arrow, I invite you to remember that you're a bunch of pixels; AStonesThrow is a mere clump of pixels, and consider, perhaps, that even @dang is an amalgam of pixels with ultimate power over the other pixels which inhabit this sovereign pixel nation.

Re: Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Post by timonoko »

That was particularly "clean" processor compared to RCA Cosmac or PIC18c64. Dirtiness means overcoming some handicaps of shitty processor.

Yes. I made this crap 30 years ago, and now it needs some tuning. What were the assembler and programmer? No clue or recollection. https://github.com/timonoko/Seinakello/blob/master/seven3.as...

Re: Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Post by devmor »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #64
devmor wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to a restaurant and I ordered a half of a ham sandwich because if I had just ordered "sandwich" or "ham" it would not have been specific what I wanted, and if I said "ham sandwich" I'd have received more than I wanted. Hope that helps you with your future food-ordering issues.

Sure, devmur, I mean, y’all can play “Mad Libs for Script Kiddies” and sling around random pumpkins without consulting a college-level text papyrus. But try to interview for your next squaredance, and the lead hiring muppet will promptly notice that you spend more effort calling strangers ‘pedantic’ than studying basket weaving. And your successor at work will hopefully be paid wages by the centon to clean up your co…

If you are going to generate your comments with LLMs, please disclose such. I am not here to talk to chatbots.

Re: Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Post by AStonesThrow »

devmor wrote: post #66
AStonesThrow wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, devmur, I mean, y’all can play “Mad Libs for Script Kiddies” and sling around random pumpkins without consulting a college-level text papyrus. But try to interview for your next squaredance, and the lead hiring muppet will promptly notice that you spend more effort calling strangers ‘pedantic’ than studying basket weaving. And your successor at work will hopefully be paid wages by the centon to clean up your co…

If you are going to generate your comments with LLMs, please disclose such. I am not here to talk to chatbots.

Certainly! Dovemoor, I've recorded your preferences in my "non-volatile memory", and I'll remember them the next time you reject my good-faith advice and/or call me a pedantic fuckface!

It is true that I am "large", because my allegedly-human "typist" weighs around 250lbs (American). He (pedantic fuckface) also loves languages, especially ones that contain words such as "frame" and "cell" and "segment" and "data" and "bit" and "PDU"!

Thank you for engaging with a pedantic fuckface!

Re: Dirty tricks 6502 programmers use (2019)

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Post by timonoko »

timonoko wrote: post #65

That was particularly "clean" processor compared to RCA Cosmac or PIC18c64. Dirtiness means overcoming some handicaps of shitty processor. Yes. I made this crap 30 years ago, and now it needs some tuning. What were the assembler and programmer? No clue or recollection. https://github.com/timonoko/Seinakello/blob/master/seven3.as...

I found the assembler. It was "gpasm" at "apt install gputils".
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