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Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by tombert »

themaninthedark wrote: post #56
piokoch wrote: post #33

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It was not that the kid was reading the bible that scared the parent but that they took a sudden deep(obsessive?) interest in something after only being exposed to it on Youtube. I have kids and I too would be concerned if they suddenly took interest in a topic. Not that long ago two twelve year old girls murdered their friend because "Slenderman". Religious topics can lead to radicalization and/or cults.

Purely in the interest of pedantry: I think it was attempted murder, I think the girl lived: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man_stabbing

Not that it changes your point at all, which I think I completely agree with.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by newsclues »

jmathai wrote: post #25
Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

I found that most of the content on YouTube kids existed as a means to advertise products. I don't necessarily care to understand the economics of it because it just doesn't provide enough value to bother. What I do understand is that I don't want my kids being tricked into watching ads because something about watching adults open toys is entertaining.

Kids have many people they can ask for gifts from.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

dingnuts wrote: post #57
daemoens wrote: post #40

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Read the rest of his comment > Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via his short allowed time where he can browse by himself, i'm worried what else is coming his way through it.

it's completely unsurprising that a child raised with no spiritual grounding would be interested in a book that teaches how to live and attempts to answer the questions that rationalists and atheists have nothing satisfying to say about. How does one live a good life? Every religion tries to answer that question. Has the GP sufficiently replaced religion with something else to help their child answer that question? O…

You would have to be completely indoctrinated to think an 8 year old is going to read the bible and see it as a way to live life, and not a confusing blood and sex fest. The only reason you think of it in such sheltered terms is your guardians said "Ignore the parts about donkey dicks, this is a guide to spirituality, we are told."

> Good luck with the latter strategy, especially if you want them to have a relationship with you as adults.

Again, you seem to live a sheltered life that you think people who don't read the bible are somehow broken people from broken families who are afraid of "scary ideas." I imagine if your child was reading the Quran you would not react this way.

Our families are fine. Focus on your own.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by d3752934 »

bsima wrote: post #36
Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that isn't going to be happening for this particular individual.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by tombert »

cwkoss wrote: post #49
piokoch wrote: post #33

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No single book has incited more violence throughout history

I've gone back and forth dozens of times about how much religion is responsible for the awful stuff in history vs. just a bunch of selfish and/or very stupid people using it to justify what they wanted to do anyway.

It's easy to say "Deuteronomy says to murder all non believers!" and then point to an example of a Christian killing a Muslim (or something) and assume that that was their motivation, and maybe it was, but also maybe it was just a homicidal maniac who gravitated to this book specifically because they could use it to justify what they were going to do anyway.

It's really tough to say, and I'm not going to pretend I know the answer.

Suicide bombers (e.g. the 9/11 terrorists) might be an example in your favor though. You're probably not driving airplanes into buildings if you don't really believe in what you're doing.

I don't know. As I said, I've gone back and forth.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by graemep »

themaninthedark wrote: post #56
piokoch wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It was not that the kid was reading the bible that scared the parent but that they took a sudden deep(obsessive?) interest in something after only being exposed to it on Youtube. I have kids and I too would be concerned if they suddenly took interest in a topic. Not that long ago two twelve year old girls murdered their friend because "Slenderman". Religious topics can lead to radicalization and/or cults.

An interest in something that has ha a huge and pervasive influence. Even if you are an atheist who would never reed it, if you are from a historicist Christian culture it has shaped your worldview.This is very well argued in Dominion by Tom Holland.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by janwillemb »

dingnuts wrote: post #57
daemoens wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the rest of his comment > Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via his short allowed time where he can browse by himself, i'm worried what else is coming his way through it.

it's completely unsurprising that a child raised with no spiritual grounding would be interested in a book that teaches how to live and attempts to answer the questions that rationalists and atheists have nothing satisfying to say about. How does one live a good life? Every religion tries to answer that question. Has the GP sufficiently replaced religion with something else to help their child answer that question? O…

I'm religious myself. What you are describing is not taught by the bible as it is in its pure form, but is a selection of specific parts of it by the tradition that you are part of. A different, lesser known selection was posted in another comment, about rape and murder. You could also select very boring parts about family lists. Or meticulously detailed instructions about the beard of the priest. It is not wrong to try and live a good life, but that is part of a tradition, not purely based on the bible.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by doublerabbit »

ziddoap wrote: post #45
doublerabbit wrote: post #39

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Maybe I am misunderstanding? What is the bad stuff, you want blocked? OP comment comes off as "I want Kagi to do it for me and to be how I want it" when Kagi doesn't know what you want blocked. How can it? If Kagi is to support blocking why wouldn't they? I am saying what Kagi wants to block may not be the bad stuff you want blocked and so you should then verify the content of what is blocked.

> Maybe I am misunderstanding. I think you are... The only thing I've said in this comment chain is that Kagi cannot guarantee that bad stuff won't show up. Which you seem to agree with (despite saying my argument is void, for some reason, before agreeing with it). The rest has been you having a conversation with... I'm not sure who. Because you're asking a bunch of questions as if I am using this feature. I am not u…

And no one can guarantee you won't end up dead tomorrow morning.

Your argument is moot in that sense. Just because it's good today doesn't mean it won't be bad tomorrow. If Kagi is putting best efforts to guarantee that today it's safe that's better than nothing, no? And which to me is kore worthy than not.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by vinni2 »

Minor49er wrote: post #59
kridsdale1 wrote: post #31

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I did this. I set up a plex server in my home that connects to a NAS which has the full runs of every PBS style kids show that I could find and found good reviews of. Along with classic movies. Just trying to recreate the media conditions of my youth, with modern content as well as long as it’s “pure”. I’m also putting me-vetted YouTube content like Kurzgesagt on it.

You might want to vet your video collection more closely. Kurzgesagt got into hot water a few years ago after it came out that they were being sponsored by large corporations to push messaging that used those sponsors' publications as primary sources. They're not as unpartial and objective as they lead people to believe

Care to share the source?

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by krapp »

dingnuts wrote: post #57
daemoens wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the rest of his comment > Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via his short allowed time where he can browse by himself, i'm worried what else is coming his way through it.

it's completely unsurprising that a child raised with no spiritual grounding would be interested in a book that teaches how to live and attempts to answer the questions that rationalists and atheists have nothing satisfying to say about. How does one live a good life? Every religion tries to answer that question. Has the GP sufficiently replaced religion with something else to help their child answer that question? O…

This may come as a shock to you, but morality and ethics do not presuppose religion. The rationalists and atheists don't have to replace religion with anything, they just don't need to invoke fear of the wrath of an imaginary sky father to justify being a good person.
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