I assume that any version one might actually use will have this patched out by the torrent packager.
Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
And for what? Make number go up? If it's just another data collection scheme the at least I could understand why.
Because the NSA pays them to. Why did they do to Skype what they did (first turn it from p2p to centralized and spyable and then just ignore it and let it die)? Same reason.
(Opinions are my own, I have no inside knowledge.)
I vaguely remember hearing that P2P Skype was the bane of sysadmins' existence. Skype would elect clients on high-bandwidth networks as supernodes. This tended to be business customers - the very organizations MS wanted to attract. Skype's prodigious hole-punching ability made it difficult to throttle, so it got banned from a lot of enterprises. MS essentially hosted the supernodes on Azure, which centralized it.
As for encryption, on the other hand, Wikipedia says MS specifically added the ability to eavesdrop for law enforcement agencies, though apparently Skype had already added a backdoor for the NSA before MS bought them: https://news.softpedia.com/news/Skype-Provided-Backdoor-Acce...
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#64I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.
Should be mentioned this is way worse than Apple
Having to use an account to get apps from app store (Apple) vs. having to use an account to install and use the OS in the first place (Microsoft) = not even a a competition
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#65I give it a week before someone patches it. I’m using LTSC. That’s fine. I suspect that’ll never require a Microsoft account. Edit: come on EU. Step up here. Tell them they need to give the users choice.
Do you still need an enterprise agreement to get a license for LTSC? That used to be the case for 10, anyways... kinda puts it out of the reach of most users.
It was/is just a few hundred dollars and well within reach of anyone able to pay that price (though the required volume license agreement, while "free", may well be off-putting to some): https://tinyapps.org/blog/201811300700_windows_10_ltsc.html
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#66Perhaps they could actually ship some wifi/ethernet drivers with their installer then.
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#67It's such an absurd lie. If Microsoft's idea of security is to force its users to authenticate online for a local account, they should never be allowed in the software industry at all. They're needlessly and dramatically increasing the attack surface of one of the most security critical software running on user devices.
Microsoft's idea of security is moving people away from local accounts protected by passwords and to Microsoft accounts protected Windows Hello.
The Windows Hello PIN is protected by the TPM. This means you can't brute force it like a password could be.
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#68It's such an absurd lie. If Microsoft's idea of security is to force its users to authenticate online for a local account, they should never be allowed in the software industry at all. They're needlessly and dramatically increasing the attack surface of one of the most security critical software running on user devices.
If windows is security critical for you, I think you've already shat the bed.
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#69It's such an absurd lie. If Microsoft's idea of security is to force its users to authenticate online for a local account, they should never be allowed in the software industry at all. They're needlessly and dramatically increasing the attack surface of one of the most security critical software running on user devices.
Microsoft's idea of security is moving people away from local accounts protected by passwords and to Microsoft accounts protected Windows Hello. The Windows Hello PIN is protected by the TPM. This means you can't brute force it like a password could be.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic, which is forcing online authentication. You can't possibly argue that needlessly forcing online authentication makes user safe.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the NSA pays them to. Why did they do to Skype what they did (first turn it from p2p to centralized and spyable and then just ignore it and let it die)? Same reason.
(Opinions are my own, I have no inside knowledge.) I vaguely remember hearing that P2P Skype was the bane of sysadmins' existence. Skype would elect clients on high-bandwidth networks as supernodes. This tended to be business customers - the very organizations MS wanted to attract. Skype's prodigious hole-punching ability made it difficult to throttle, so it got banned from a lot of enterprises. MS essentially hosted…
This [1] is one of my favorite leaks from Snowden revelations, and I regularly bring it up anytime people try to downplay what PRISM is. That's a user manual for NSA agents on how to spy on Skype users (including video and text) in real time. It's informative and also amusing at times. For instance in the FAQ one issue a confused spook might run into is why they're being spammed with the same messages repeatedly. It turns out that when a user logs on to a new device, the recent messages Microsoft sends to the user are also directly forwarded to the NSA, which can result (from their perspective) in messages being repeated.
[1] - https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/Guid...