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Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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No, he's not serious. Actual salaries are double-to-triple what he's saying.

Wow, where would you find triple? I've never heard of a developer making 180K in DC.

$180k+ isn't inconceivable, but it's certainly approaching a salary range typically reserved for Architects and team leads (in my experience).

It's fully realistic for non-management senior engineers to earn up to $150k, however.

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he's not serious. Actual salaries are double-to-triple what he's saying.

Wow, where would you find triple? I've never heard of a developer making 180K in DC.

Right, 180K for any developer is high (hence the double-to-triple estimate). Not inconceivable for an architect or manager though in certain companies, which is a possible career path for any developer.

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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post #58

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Personnel retention is easy - just demonstrate on any level that the contributions of the workforce is appreciated. Since I'm in the DC area too, with clearance, the number you're throwing around are a bit of a stretch. We've got junior developers in the high $30K range and senior in the mid $60K range.

Personnel retention is easy - just demonstrate on any level that the contributions of the workforce is appreciated. I think you may be painting a simplistic picture, and are making an implicit statement about my experience. I have never worked for a software company that didn't value it's developers or their contributions. Quite the contrary, in fact. Benefits, high salaries, flexible hours, work from home all on top…

Benefits: Trying being assigned a practitioner closest to the work location so you'll miss as little work as possible; or benefits that are project dependent (some projects support a 401k, some don't)

High salary: 30K starting with sr devs going for around 60K to 70K

Flexible hours: 730 to 430 M-F, with Wednesday onsite support needed from 6pm to 10pm (you are allowed up show up no later than 9AM on Thursday)

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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post #45

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No, he's not serious. Actual salaries are double-to-triple what he's saying.

Yes, I am serious. Welcome to the world of being a contractor working for the government.

Then I'm sorry to say it but you got absolutely shafted, and may want to consider looking somewhere else...

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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post #62

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Wow, where would you find triple? I've never heard of a developer making 180K in DC.

Right, 180K for any developer is high (hence the double-to-triple estimate). Not inconceivable for an architect or manager though in certain companies, which is a possible career path for any developer.

So how does a senior engineer graduate to architect?

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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post #45

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No, he's not serious. Actual salaries are double-to-triple what he's saying.

Yes, I am serious. Welcome to the world of being a contractor working for the government.

I think part of the disconnect here is due to the fact that the development community in the DC area is really quite broad.

On the one hand you have startups & companies with Bay Area caliber talent, including more high profile ventures such as OPower and Living Social. On the other end of the spectrum are budget web-dev PHP shops that maintain web pages for government agencies.

Nonetheless, I've never heard of salaries as low as those you're quoting - and they're most certainly not the norm.

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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post #58

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Personnel retention is easy - just demonstrate on any level that the contributions of the workforce is appreciated. I think you may be painting a simplistic picture, and are making an implicit statement about my experience. I have never worked for a software company that didn't value it's developers or their contributions. Quite the contrary, in fact. Benefits, high salaries, flexible hours, work from home all on top…

Benefits: Trying being assigned a practitioner closest to the work location so you'll miss as little work as possible; or benefits that are project dependent (some projects support a 401k, some don't) High salary: 30K starting with sr devs going for around 60K to 70K Flexible hours: 730 to 430 M-F, with Wednesday onsite support needed from 6pm to 10pm (you are allowed up show up no later than 9AM on Thursday)

So, you work for a company that pays bargain basement rates and affords very few benefits and an inflexible schedule. I'm sorry to hear that.

That being the case, I'm increasingly unsure as to why you were lecturing me on employee retention.

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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post #66

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Yes, I am serious. Welcome to the world of being a contractor working for the government.

I think part of the disconnect here is due to the fact that the development community in the DC area is really quite broad. On the one hand you have startups & companies with Bay Area caliber talent, including more high profile ventures such as OPower and Living Social. On the other end of the spectrum are budget web-dev PHP shops that maintain web pages for government agencies. Nonetheless, I've never heard of salar…

Good point, but remember that between hot-shot startups (e.g., livingsocial as the poster-child) and budget PHP gov't website shops are the contractors that design a lot of aerospace guidance and control software for NASA, the Navy, etc... Also NSA is a huge employer, and a lot of contractors for the NSA and NASA (among many other agencies) have extremely technical and high-level software and hardware engineering positions.

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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post #68
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think part of the disconnect here is due to the fact that the development community in the DC area is really quite broad. On the one hand you have startups & companies with Bay Area caliber talent, including more high profile ventures such as OPower and Living Social. On the other end of the spectrum are budget web-dev PHP shops that maintain web pages for government agencies. Nonetheless, I've never heard of salar…

Good point, but remember that between hot-shot startups (e.g., livingsocial as the poster-child) and budget PHP gov't website shops are the contractors that design a lot of aerospace guidance and control software for NASA, the Navy, etc... Also NSA is a huge employer, and a lot of contractors for the NSA and NASA (among many other agencies) have extremely technical and high-level software and hardware engineering pos…

Fully agreed. I in no way wanted meant to paint Living Social & startups as being the end-all of DC talent. In fact, the challenges several of the local contracting shops work with are in many ways more interesting than those of the area's startups.

While I've never worked for a contractor, in my experience their salaries are quite competitive - although they may be strict about degree requirements both for better and worse.

Re: Startups: Stop Trying To Hire Ninja-Rockstar Engineers

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I'm no ninja-rockstar! I'm a cybernetic Viking berzerker, battling each and every bug and feature to the death. I might have scars from my many encounters, but I won... eventually. My software is a well honed and polished, though sometimes nicked, piece of work. Seriously guys, ninjas were criminals! They were outlaws that killed mainly via indirect confrontation, OCD-like planning, and typically poison. They deserve…

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