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Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada

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Re: Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada

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Post by sightbroke »

D13Fd wrote: post #60
sightbroke wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, I was trying to give you suggestions that may help you in your personal situation. Secondly, I am confused as to what you think should be done. Because it appears that you do not like paying a lot of tax money but expect there to be affordable quality education available? I mean, if you want more educational options available in your area then presumably that means the government at some level (local, county,…

> I don't have children so I am not sure why I should have to pay any tax what-so-ever for your child to receive a poor education. Because it’s a shared societal good, like government, roads, policing, defense, energy infrastructure, and many other things. An uneducated populace would burden everyone. Beyond that, unless you went exclusively to private school, you also benefited from the system and it’s not unfair fo…

Apologies. I meant that point as rhetorical, which is to say that it was meant to help illustrate to the person that I was replying to that other people help pay for their child's education even if they feel that public education is bad or their district in particular is.

Re: Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #21

One thing I think is interesting about the fascism label is - if you time traveled the US government leadership from 1945 to today, who would they align with more? How would they treat these issues? Or was the US fascist in 1923 when the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind that Indians aren’t white and therefore can’t be granted citizenship? That seems, like, massively more “fascist” than anyth…

This word "fascism" is unfortunate, because the symbolism of the fasces is actually good: We do all need to bundle ourselves together if we are either (a) to accomplish anything, or (b) to resist capital. The only question is whether all the many twigs have to be the same color.

The Left has spoken of "bundling" for many years now (of issues or complaints, or, looked at another way, of identity or pressure groups). That too is the idea of the fasces. The word "bundle" again suggests it.

I also note that there is a certain irony here, because, besides "fasces", we already have a succinct two-syllable word meaning "a bundle of twigs".

There is also the tasty cognate, "fajita".

Re: Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada

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Post by totalkikedeath »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #26
drivingmenuts wrote: post #18

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Religious institutions should only be supported by voluntary contributions from those who believe in its mission. No state should ever give money to a religious institution, for any reason, because no state should favor one religion over another. To do so leads to religious authoritarianism, which is a direct precursor to religious segregation and persecution. Money given to the state should only be used for purposes…

Secularism/atheism is a religion too. It has dogmas on abortion, homosexuality, fornication, usury, adultery, education of children, and hatred towards other religions (as shown by you).

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Re: Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada

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Post by sepositus »

sightbroke wrote: post #46
sepositus wrote: post #43

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Doesn't that feel a bit disingenuous? It sounds like you might be coming from a very privileged background and haven't been placed in a similar situation that is primarily outside of your control. It also seems to suggest that I haven't spent my years as a parent trying to do the best for my children (i.e., raising my income). Besides all that, it seems like you simply disagree with the fact that this is a problem at…

First, I was trying to give you suggestions that may help you in your personal situation. Secondly, I am confused as to what you think should be done. Because it appears that you do not like paying a lot of tax money but expect there to be affordable quality education available? I mean, if you want more educational options available in your area then presumably that means the government at some level (local, county,…

> Secondly, I am confused as to what you think should be done. Because it appears that you do not like paying a lot of tax money but expect there to be affordable quality education available?

I shouldn't be locked into a specific school based on where I live. If there's a school 20 miles away that I think would be a better fit for my children, I should be able to take them there. Basically, I'm arguing for a free market.

Re: Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada

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Post by sightbroke »

sepositus wrote: post #67
sightbroke wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, I was trying to give you suggestions that may help you in your personal situation. Secondly, I am confused as to what you think should be done. Because it appears that you do not like paying a lot of tax money but expect there to be affordable quality education available? I mean, if you want more educational options available in your area then presumably that means the government at some level (local, county,…

> Secondly, I am confused as to what you think should be done. Because it appears that you do not like paying a lot of tax money but expect there to be affordable quality education available? I shouldn't be locked into a specific school based on where I live. If there's a school 20 miles away that I think would be a better fit for my children, I should be able to take them there. Basically, I'm arguing for a free mar…

Well you can take them there, you just need to move.

Otherwise what you're suggesting is that you should be able to place your child in a school that you yourself do not pay taxes towards since you're not in that district.

So other people in that district should disproportionately support your child's education compared to what you are?

Re: Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada

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Post by sepositus »

sightbroke wrote: post #68
sepositus wrote: post #67

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> Secondly, I am confused as to what you think should be done. Because it appears that you do not like paying a lot of tax money but expect there to be affordable quality education available? I shouldn't be locked into a specific school based on where I live. If there's a school 20 miles away that I think would be a better fit for my children, I should be able to take them there. Basically, I'm arguing for a free mar…

Well you can take them there, you just need to move. Otherwise what you're suggesting is that you should be able to place your child in a school that you yourself do not pay taxes towards since you're not in that district. So other people in that district should disproportionately support your child's education compared to what you are?

> Well you can take them there, you just need to move.

This is what I meant earlier. Since you don't see a problem here, we're basically just talking past each other. The fact that I can't register my child within any school in driving distance represents a problem to me.

> So other people in that district should disproportionately support your child's education compared to what you are?

This is a symptom of the broken system that I am trying to present here. There are many existing proposals to amend it. For example, allow parents to use the taxes they are paying with any school. If I pay $5k in taxes annually, and the school 20 miles away pays $10k annually, then I can make up the $5k myself. The point is that I have a choice.

Re: Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada

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Post by cherry_tree »

sepositus wrote: post #3

> Stanley said this order sets the country “on a path to educational authoritarianism”. Paying large sums of taxes for a school that is unquestionably failing my children, with no option to attend another school (without shelling an unfathomable amount of money for private schooling), feels like educational authoritarianism to me.

So you are in favor of reducing the funding your childs school receives from the federal government? And for using the government to restrict funding to universities unless they comply with limiting the speech of students and professors?

I don’t see how that makes your child’s school better, can you explain how we get from A to B?

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