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@nhoss2 Slightly offtopic: Love the honesty on your http://labs.im/ page. But you might be underselling yourself. You are saying you are willing to work cheaply because you are young and a risk. You are capable of using node.js, you use phantomJS, you seem to have good product and ux thinking and you are able to use github. Just the last one alone puts you on the upper 50% of the worldwide freelance market. Not to sp…

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@nhoss2 Slightly offtopic: Love the honesty on your http://labs.im/ page. But you might be underselling yourself. You are saying you are willing to work cheaply because you are young and a risk. You are capable of using node.js, you use phantomJS, you seem to have good product and ux thinking and you are able to use github. Just the last one alone puts you on the upper 50% of the worldwide freelance market. Not to sp…

You're absolutely right, but I think you're understating the issue. DavidChouinard and csomar also have good points. There are clients who want to hire good developers for a lot of money and those who want to hire good developers at university who don't know how much they're worth yet for peanuts. That's not always bad, I've had at least one great client in that category, but it's not lucrative—granted you may have t…

An old thread on this topic: http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/ifjld/launching_...

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Let's not get carried away here. A quick poll: If you are in a position to hire devs (with a proper budget for it), would you hire this gentleman for $80/h knowing that he is a 2nd year EE student in Australia? Given the circumstances, I'd have hard time justifying $40/h. Not because $80 is too high, but because of the inherent performance risks associated with this particular type of hire.

For "hiring as a dev", $40/hr seems in the right ballpark. For freelance work, I've paid well over $100/hr to people with similar age/experience based on nothing more than portfolios similar to his and a plausible sounding phone-screen. I've contracted students for work, and while I'm more likely to propose payment terms based on estimated hours with payment on milestone delivery rather than just hourly rates, I'll s…

$30 to $40 is reasonable...

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$80-100/hour? Is this feasible?

Yes. Yes yes yes! Did I mention "Yes"? Look, I used to be you. And lately I've been missing me so I thought it would be fun to sit down with me and advise me on what I didn't have the guts to do years ago. You're very worth it. Your site alone shows a combination of the following: - The ability to program something more than just "hello world", a linked list, or the fibonacci sequence. You'd be surprised how many so-…

> There are great programmers in this world who can write compilers but who never really groked the web or how to put stuff on it, let alone cool dynamic stuff that works. They may be programmers, but they aren't developers.

So one can be a developer if and only if he does web programming? What about all the other plethora of software products that need to be developed?

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For "hiring as a dev", $40/hr seems in the right ballpark. For freelance work, I've paid well over $100/hr to people with similar age/experience based on nothing more than portfolios similar to his and a plausible sounding phone-screen. I've contracted students for work, and while I'm more likely to propose payment terms based on estimated hours with payment on milestone delivery rather than just hourly rates, I'll s…

$30 to $40 is reasonable...

Not in Australia. Minimum wage is ~$20/hour +/- $2 (That's about $22US). But you know, income is more equal here, so we don't have the highs. I think $60-$80/hour considering it is freelance.

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Your labs.im pitch is probably going to send you the worst freelance jobs you'll ever have. Nobody gives a shit about your situation, and your University tuition fees. Actually, this signals a red flag for serious clients: You might drop their project as soon as you get some financing. Promote yourself as a young, intelligent and enthusiast developer with coding and design skills. Price your hourly rate at $80-100/ho…

$80-100/hour? Is this feasible?

Feasible? It looks a bit low to me. :)

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Hey, OP here. I realize now that it was a mistake to come off like that but there were a few reasons on why I did: - I just felt like a piece of shit when I wrote it because I have no connections and have had a very hard time trying to get a normal job. I also had no confidence that any of this would work out so that did not help my ego when writing. - When I submitted this to HN, it was fairly late and I went to sle…

I can relate to not wanting to say you're smart and can't do something well. I was/am sometimes the same way. For me it was imposter syndrome plus the idea that since everyone says it how would anyone ever believe such trite, cliche pitches. Well, I've learned from experience that there's a reason so many people market themselves in such similar ways. It works. It's still unbelievable to me but it works. Plus, if it…

This is the first time I have ever heard the term "imposter syndrome" and I realized that is exactly what I have. Thanks for introducing me to the concept.

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post #64

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Yes. Yes yes yes! Did I mention "Yes"? Look, I used to be you. And lately I've been missing me so I thought it would be fun to sit down with me and advise me on what I didn't have the guts to do years ago. You're very worth it. Your site alone shows a combination of the following: - The ability to program something more than just "hello world", a linked list, or the fibonacci sequence. You'd be surprised how many so-…

> There are great programmers in this world who can write compilers but who never really groked the web or how to put stuff on it, let alone cool dynamic stuff that works. They may be programmers, but they aren't developers. So one can be a developer if and only if he does web programming? What about all the other plethora of software products that need to be developed?

I was being terse for the sake of style, but the gist of that was intended to be "programmers who make nicely packaged product-type things", which of course includes app developers as well as other categories.
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