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Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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But they can already do that, because most people and apps (outside China and maybe some other regions) expect Google Play/Play Services to be present.

What apps? I think only android auto requires it. All the rest works just fine with occasional glitches. Of course that most probably greatly depends of what kind of apps you are using but usually microG is just enough.

Many banking apps will outright refuse to run on rooted devices, much less google-free forks. There are ways around that but those ways are unreliable and could break at any given time -- I am not risking losing the ability to pay for things online just for the sake of running an android fork. (in my country, all the banks switched to requiring 2FA from their app if you make online purchases with your visa or mastercard)

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It's a bit disturbing that that might be the plan though.

Isn't the plan to move Android to Fuchsia eventually (and seamlessly)?

Hasn't this been the plan for like a decade now? I know some of their products run Fuchsia, like the Nest displays, but no word on main Android devices

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Amazon maintains their Fire devices with their Android fork. Huawei maintains their Android fork that runs without the Play store. Google will not be able to close Android/AOSP without triggering a well-funded fork.

Also Meta Horizon OS is based on AOSP. This will probably also affect their development.

Why would a second company freeloading kernel and services from Google change Google's OSdev roadmap? Google could just say to Meta 'fine, fork and maintain it yourself, you're a grown-up company' and continue on with whatever nefarious rug-pull closed source pivot to Fuschia gambit that they might be plotting.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Can we please just go back to having some sort of Debian-based GNU/Linux on a smartphone. Just create a really great mobile interface on top of that. The more I learn about Android, the more I think the whole thing is a waste of time.

It was never a thing since OpenMoko, with exception of Nokia's N9.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Hmm while this could be sold as just to prevent leaks (which occasionally happen), I think this is more likely a first step to closing the source, in light of the EU messing up their open source monetisation strategy. Well, more like the 5th step really. They already moved a ton of functionality into Google Play Services, and discontinued a load of the open source stock apps like Calendar.

Google kinda irked me when they purchased Motorola - I was hopeful we'd get nice hardware with the android team focused on making android better but they instead gutted the company and sold it off and android has been more solid on non Google devices from what I can tell. From pixels not having an operating system shipping to people to pixels 4 and 7 having notable worse camera features (I should note I'm biased to how well the camera works since it's one of my three main uses of a smartphone) compared to say the Nexus 6 phones.

I've wondered if android and pixel breaking off Google would be a good thing or not honestly since there is talk about cutting chrome off.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Can we please just go back to having some sort of Debian-based GNU/Linux on a smartphone. Just create a really great mobile interface on top of that. The more I learn about Android, the more I think the whole thing is a waste of time.

> just go back to having some sort of Debian-based GNU/Linux on a smartphone Two years of full time engineering man hours > Just create a really great mobile interface on top of that. Probably another 3 years of full time engineering man hours

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Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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I hope they make it closed source and make us much money out of it as possible for shareholders that is their job and their duty, why are they giving this away for free they have already captured market share by claiming opensource and building a community now all they have to do is make it proprietary and the old opensource version slowly wither and become unstable, then they can charge money for the operating syste…

As much as I - a Pixel 7 (GrapheneOS) user - would hate that, doing so would essentially put Android on equal footing as iOS and would give me a serious reason to consider switching to an iPhone. Apple's hardware is just so much sleeker, faster, and better than Google's mediocre Pixel line.

Maybe I'm just a tech philistine but I find my Pixel 8a and my wife's iPhone to be basically indistinguishable in any meaningful way.
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