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Revenge of the Junior Developer

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Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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Evidence suggests it's the exact opposite. The only thing crypto has really been good for is a store of value. Sure, it's a volatile commodity, but over any 5 year average window, Bitcoin definitely beats inflation. That makes it a safe store of value.

What evidence? People use it to bypass the payment processor cartels all the time.

Define all the time. I haven’t seen a shop that accepts crypto. There’s nothing I could buy with it.

Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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Ok, if I notice other devs suddenly getting 5x as productive I'll give it a try, but so far no such effect has been demonstrated. It seems like a pretty straightforward research question, and you'd think if there was any demonstrable effect the companies selling these things would use such research to market their products. So where is it?

There's a dead body lying there but you won't believe they're actually dead until someone creates a video reenactment of the killer stabbing them and shoves that video in your face? Speaking of videos, https://youtu.be/opi1s_5Dm-c is probably below your level and it's kinda long.

I don't get it. What is the dead body thing about?

Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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$300? That much sounds like it would last a year. You don't need to spend anywhere near $300 just to try things out

RTFA, agents churn through credits. Further enforcing my belief that the vast majority of people have not actually tried it yet.

> RTFA, agents churn through credits.

I literally use Claude Code as part of my job, so either the "FA" is wrong, or my costs are only low because work just happens to have a codebase that reduces costs (lol)

Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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There's a dead body lying there but you won't believe they're actually dead until someone creates a video reenactment of the killer stabbing them and shoves that video in your face? Speaking of videos, https://youtu.be/opi1s_5Dm-c is probably below your level and it's kinda long.

I don't get it. What is the dead body thing about?

There are people building things and making money using these new techniques, but because they haven't stopped to produce research studies and white papers about their work, you want to presume it doesn't exist.

Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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And without any traditional software engineers, who's going to check that those test cases actually do anything useful and verify the important properties of the system? It doesn't matter how many unit tests your Therac-25 has if none of them test the thing that matters.

Well theoretically you can also do E2E testing where an AI agent also clicks around a user-interface and takes screenshots, which are then fed back into it.

That's just another type of test, the question was who's going to check that the tests are actually testing the correct things. Maybe look up the Therac-25 that was mentioned.

Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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I remembered the dialogue from the movie Snatch: T: What's happening with this sausages, Charlie? C: 2 minutes, Turkish. -- 5 Minutes later --- T: How long for the sausages? C: 5 minutes, Turkish. T: It was 2 minutes, 5 minutes ago. I don't know why I remembered it. Is it AI, or self driving cars, or both. Huh.

self driving cars are here, just unevenly distributed. Waymo operates in several cities already, providing millions of rides to people. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Waymo operates in tiny parts of several cities when you look at the maps. They didn't finish the first 90% when you look from that perspective.

Waymo provides a tech demonstrator in a closed circuit, and you can pay to ride their demonstrators in select areas of select cities. It's not half bad, let's be honest, but having these limits puts them to a point very far from "self driving cars are here". Even Tesla isn't there with their camera only subsystems and "if you crash you keep both pieces" policy. It's another tech demonstrator you can buy.

If we accept your point that "self driving cars are here", we should accept that Fusion energy is a solved problem because WEST tokamak held plasma for 22 minutes, electric propulsion is a solved problem since we have electric trains for a long time, and Hyperloop is fully operational because I have scale model in my backyard which carries thousands of ants every day.

Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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self driving cars are here, just unevenly distributed. Waymo operates in several cities already, providing millions of rides to people. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Waymo operates in tiny parts of several cities when you look at the maps. They didn't finish the first 90% when you look from that perspective. Waymo provides a tech demonstrator in a closed circuit, and you can pay to ride their demonstrators in select areas of select cities. It's not half bad, let's be honest, but having these limits puts them to a point very far from "self driving cars are here". Even Tesla isn't…

People open their phone, order a car, take a ride from an arbitrary point within the geofenced area, to another arbitrary point inside that area. Within that area. they're handling real life conditions. dogs and children running into the street, bicyclists, moving trucks blocking streets, construction. Other cars. Maybe that's not enough for you, but that's not a carefully staged tech demo with a car driving a loop around a fixed track at Disneyland that's gonna break the moment it has to deviate beyond what you're allowed to touch. Unless you think Waymo is paying all the drivers in LA drivers to drive different around their cars, I guess.

If the tokomak was energy positive for those 22 minutes, there was more than one of them, and they were running it multiple times a day then I would say it is. But it's not. I'm not sure why you have this need to lump them together. Fusion is quite a different problem, with yet to be solved materials science problems and control systems issues. I'm not claiming that fusion's here, and also I don't think quantum computers are gonna be here anytime soon.

Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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Everyone: telling me how great AI is. No one: making anything great with AI. Sourcegraph: an AI company, routinely promoting their LLM-optimism blogposts to HN, perpetuating the hype cycle their business model depends on.

It's the opposite. Most people are not are boasting about their productivity improvements but it's everywhere. Unless you work at a company where you're not allowed to use these tools it should be impossible to miss. Even the most hardcore naysayers I know are now using AI tools. The new discourse is whether the massive increase in code output leads to issues or not (I think it does), but claiming it doesn't happen is not a serious take anymore.

Re: Revenge of the Junior Developer

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Everyone: telling me how great AI is. No one: making anything great with AI. Sourcegraph: an AI company, routinely promoting their LLM-optimism blogposts to HN, perpetuating the hype cycle their business model depends on.

This is the true litmus test IMO. If LLMs are so great and make everyone so productive, then where are the results? Where are all of the amazing products being released that otherwise would have required 10x the investment? Shouldn't there be _anything_ we can point to that shows that the "productivity needle" is being moved?

What are you on about? It's happening everywhere, in all companies. It's literally impossible to miss and how to handle the massive increase in code output is becoming a well-known problem. I think it's interesting how the naysayers claim that it's not happening, yet simultaneously worry about the large amount of low-quality code being produced.
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