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Meta pirated books to train its AI

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Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI

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Post by robjan »

binarymax wrote: post #35
stackedinserter wrote: post #15

I "pirated" (read) books to train myself. I guess I owe authors a percentage of my income now.

Let’s look at this like food, instead of knowledge. You ate a donut, and you got energy. Maybe you’ve eaten 5 donuts per year, for 20 years…so a hundred donuts. Maybe you didn’t pay for all of them, you got some at work or at a friends house. They stole a billion donuts.

These donuts can be replicated an unlimited number of times for free without depriving the creator of the donuts of their donuts. The analogy doesn't work.

The real question is whether the value of these donuts is diminished by being ingested by the AI and it's still not clear.

Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI

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Post by badlibrarian »

xyzzy9563 wrote: post #60
dartos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah right at the start it says > who imports copies or phonorecords into the United States in violation of section 602, is an infringer of the copyright or right of the author, as the case may be. Copying itself is infringing. OC has no clue what they’re talking about.

If you are copying locally you aren't importing it into the U.S.

Read the law and stop being pedantic. The phrase is "or who imports..."

The intent is clear and the penalties are clear and with a few keypresses even the most irrational among us can balance how we wish things were versus how things are.

Given an informed base you can contemplate how to affect the change we all want instead of just posting misinformation in chat rooms.

Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI

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Post by dragonwriter »

dartos wrote: post #53
badlibrarian wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See 17 U.S.C. § 501 and DMCA. And define "locally" not that it matters.

Yeah right at the start it says > who imports copies or phonorecords into the United States in violation of section 602, is an infringer of the copyright or right of the author, as the case may be. Copying itself is infringing. OC has no clue what they’re talking about.

> Yeah right at the start it says

That's not right at the start, and what is right at the start actually is better support for your point. Is this a copy-and-paste error?

Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI

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Post by jumponhoop »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #57
JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't prove you wrong and I don't think there is any benefit to society when a company with a black box doesn't give back to the community (aka humanity as a whole) and doesn't pay anyone. Copyright may be broken, but the only realistic way to encourage creators is to give them money. We don't live in a utopia, and people need money to eat. Also, in France and as an individual, if I were to openly torrent all the c…

I don't think there is any benefit to society when a company with a black box doesn't give back to the community They are at least giving the model they trained back to the community. https://www.llama.com/llama-downloads/

I have found throughout my life that the best gifts were ones that required me to give PII to the giver, and sign a binding agreement that legally restricts my use of said gift.

Bonus points if you harass me about your newsletter.

Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI

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Post by stackedinserter »

binarymax wrote: post #35
stackedinserter wrote: post #15

I "pirated" (read) books to train myself. I guess I owe authors a percentage of my income now.

Let’s look at this like food, instead of knowledge. You ate a donut, and you got energy. Maybe you’ve eaten 5 donuts per year, for 20 years…so a hundred donuts. Maybe you didn’t pay for all of them, you got some at work or at a friends house. They stole a billion donuts.

Ok I got it, I owe to donut vendors too.

Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI

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Post by dartos »

dragonwriter wrote: post #63
dartos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah right at the start it says > who imports copies or phonorecords into the United States in violation of section 602, is an infringer of the copyright or right of the author, as the case may be. Copying itself is infringing. OC has no clue what they’re talking about.

> Yeah right at the start it says That's not right at the start, and what is right at the start actually is better support for your point. Is this a copy-and-paste error?

Oh yeah. Started copying at the wrong “who”
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