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If you talk to a parent of a child who OD'd, most commonly of fent these days, they all have this thought. What if I took them somewhere remote where there are no drugs and didn't let them leave? My heart hurts for them, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not. Regardless, I think his heart is in the right place. Time will tell whether or not it's actually useful.

They had camps to cure gayness. The problem isn’t the camps but the people who have the authority in them and how the treat people especially if the cure isn’t working. Not everything can be cured by organic food, fresh air and labor. BTW is the food the grow for the farms only or is selling it part of the plan? If the latter then it’s about cheap labor

Yes and we used to kill witches for being... different.

That is to say, to any sane modern human, curing gayness is nothing like curing drug addiction.

We have to do something. Because whatever we've been doing for the past two decades has amounted to nothing.

And maybe that ends up being the answer, that there is nothing you can do. But I'll never insult someone for trying, no matter the method.

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Regardless of your take on this, it's very interesting to see the UI components they're using. These look identical to the gov.uk system, but I wasn't aware of it being available for use outside of their government websites.

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Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can…

Yes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas. I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing. Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.

How long did his deportation take?

Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy.

And I wouldn’t want to gamble if I‘m one of the unlucky ones that you described as looking bad.

That kind of uncertainty is exactly what makes those travels unnecessarily dangerous.

That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.

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It's a threat to transgender travellers; I know many in the tech industry. The U.S. is now denying entry visas to transgender travellers as well.

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The orders are supposed to "sound" reasonable. If it was obvious what the consequences of the order were to everyone, it would be far less palatable.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what historical context was “wellness farm” used as a euphemism?

would you, in the context of fascist Germany or other totalitarian regimes with concentration camps, not understand the quoted text as cynical euphemism for such camps? this understanding of metaphors is not that it was used then. the understanding happens today a contemporary application of historical knowledge. and honestly, it's obvious.

It's not after that fact, or any euphemism - this is the exact way the regime tried to pass them off at the time. Germany called the concentration camps luxurious places to hangout and learn skills and rehabilitate, with post office, frequent movie screenings, a swimming pool, nice beds. The reality was much different as we know. They did have a small pool on the grounds for show.

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-ausc...

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I understand the sentiment that the Trump administration is draconian, especially for people traveling from abroad considering the new border policy. But, pardon me, how is that executive order about sex a "threat"? Listed as the top issue undermines the credibility of this petition I think.

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Reminds me of [1] from 2013, and [2][3] from 2017. This is not new at all, just affecting more people, and more importantly, more Western people now. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientist... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 Clarification: the “not new” part is foreign attendees not being able to attend conferences in the U.S…

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