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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Apparently, the regular search crawler does it, but the ai thingie doesn't.

Huh? You can add Google-Extended[1] to opt out from Generative AI summaries. [1] https://blog.google/technology/ai/an-update-on-web-publisher...

Google will still scrape it for training data either way, this only impacts search results.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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I wonder if it will actually respect the robots.txt this time.

I don't think it should. If a user asks the AI to read the web for them, it should read the web for them. This isn't a vacuum charged with crawling the web, it's an adhoc GET request.

You could make this justification for a lot of unapproved bot activity.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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post #39
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I wonder if it will actually respect the robots.txt this time.

I don't think it should. If a user asks the AI to read the web for them, it should read the web for them. This isn't a vacuum charged with crawling the web, it's an adhoc GET request.

How can you be so sure? Processors love locality, so they fetch the data around the requested address. Intel even used to give names to that.

So, similarly, LLM companies can see this as a signal to crawl to whole site to add to their training sets and learn from it, if the same URL is hit for a couple of times in a relatively short time period.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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robots.txt is meant for automated crawlers, not human-driven actions.

if a human triggers the web crawlers by pressing a button, should they ignore robots.txt?

If a human triggers a browser by pressing a button, should it ignore robots.txt?

Re: Claude can now search the web

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It must form the search index somehow. That is prior the human action. Simply it would not find the page at all if it respects.

I remember in late 90s/early 2000 as a teen going to robots.txt to specifically see what they were trying to hide and exploring those urls. What is the difference if I use a browser or a LLM tool (or curl, or wget, etc) to make those requests?

But how did you find those sites that had the robot.txt to begin with? LLM must somehow find the existence of those pages and store that information before they can crawl them further or mark as acceptable source.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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I wonder if it will actually respect the robots.txt this time.

robots.txt is meant for automated crawlers, not human-driven actions.

So, do you mean LLMs are human-like and conscious?

I thought they were just machine code running on part GPU and part CPU.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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post #39
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I wonder if it will actually respect the robots.txt this time.

I don't think it should. If a user asks the AI to read the web for them, it should read the web for them. This isn't a vacuum charged with crawling the web, it's an adhoc GET request.

No thank you, when I define a robots.txt file I expect all automated systems to respect it.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Every automated crawler follows human-driven actions.

Conversely, every browser is a program that automatically executes HTTP requests.

Yet they respect a lot of things meant for machine to machine interaction. Like server return codes, cookie negotiations, and CAPTCHAs if they behave a certain way.

So they sometimes hit bollards and turnstiles made for other types of code which executes HTTP requests. So they're bots basically, but better (or suitably) behaving ones.

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