Uv should replace pip for all I care.
what about https://github.com/RustPython/RustPython ?
What about it? RustPython is an alternative interpreter; it's not in the same category of thing as pip or uv.
uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
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Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#62I don't understand a word of the headline, I guess I am not the intended audience.
Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#63I recently switched to uv, and I cannot praise it enough. With uv, the Python ecosystem finally feels mature and polished rather than like a collection of brittle hacks. Kudos to the uv developers for creating such an amazing piece of software!
But how does it work with components that require libraries written in C? And what if there are no binaries yet for my architecture, will it compile them, including all the dependencies written in C?
IMO if you require libraries in other languages then a pure python package manager like uv, pip, poetry, whatever, is simply the wrong tool for the job. There is _some_ support for this through wheels, and I'd expect uv to support them just as much as pip does, but they feel like a hack to me.
Instead there is pixi, which is similar in concept to uv but for the conda-forge packaging ecosystem. Nix and guix are also language-agnostic package managers that can do the job.
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You do not need a damn good reason for this. Just try it out on a simple hello world. Then try it out on a project already using poetry for eg. uv init uv sync and you're done I'd say if you do not run into the pitfalls of a large python codebase with hundreds of dependencies, you'll not get the bigger argument people are talking about.
I don't think you need to sync, do you? It always just does it when running. That said, I do wish uv had `uv activate`. I like just working in the virtualenv without having to `uv run` everything.
I do usually include instructions in our READMEs to do a `uv sync` as install command, in order to separate error causes, and also to allow for bootstrapping the venv so that it's available for IDEs.
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Yeah, switched to writing python professionally ~4 years ago, and been low key hating the ecosystem. From a java and javascript background, it's mostly been npm/mvn install and it "just works". With python, there's always someone being onboarded that can't get it to work. So many small issues. Have to have the correct version per project, then have to get the venv running. And then installing it needs to build stuff…
I cannot share the same experiences. mvn is a buggy mess, randomly forgetting dependencies, and constantly needing a full clean to not die on itself. npm and the entire js ecosystem feels so immature with constant breaking changes, and circular dependency hell, when trying to uppgrade stuff.
That's an issue with the packages themselves though, not with package management as a whole. You and the comment above you are talking about different things. While there's plenty of pain to be had with npm, if you have a project that used to work years ago, you can generally just clone, install and be done, even if on older versions. On Python this used to mean a lot of hurt, often even if it was a fresh project that you just wanted to share with a colleague.
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I cannot share the same experiences. mvn is a buggy mess, randomly forgetting dependencies, and constantly needing a full clean to not die on itself. npm and the entire js ecosystem feels so immature with constant breaking changes, and circular dependency hell, when trying to uppgrade stuff.
That's an issue with the packages themselves though, not with package management as a whole. You and the comment above you are talking about different things. While there's plenty of pain to be had with npm, if you have a project that used to work years ago, you can generally just clone, install and be done, even if on older versions. On Python this used to mean a lot of hurt, often even if it was a fresh project tha…
For value of "years" greater than 1?
Node/NPM was a poster child of an ecosystem where projects break three times a week, due to having too many transitive dependencies that are being updated too often.
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That's rough for all the creators of poetry, pdm, pipenv, etc. to hear. They put in a ton of great work over the last decade, but I fear you may be right.
I quite really like pdm! I can see why maybe poetry but especially pipenv might be replaced with uv, but what's the value of uv over pdm beyond performance? It ticks all my boxes otherwise.
I am feeling the same way about PDM, it works very well, easy to configure and checks all the boxes feature-wise.
Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#68Man, I’m so jealous of insane praise that uv (and most other astral tools) gets. I don’t think ever seen anything so unanimously lauded around here.
Like with any social media site, you also have to consider the possibility that not all comments are 100% organic.
I’ve seen fishy looking engagement in hn before, but I’m inclined to think uv’s praise is genuine. It reflects the collective relief of seeing an extremely long and painful journey finally come to an end (hopefully).
Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#69Man, I’m so jealous of insane praise that uv (and most other astral tools) gets. I don’t think ever seen anything so unanimously lauded around here.
Tailscale?
It’s not really on my radar, but I’d be curious to know what other pieces of software get similar respect from their communities.
Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
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I don't think you need to sync, do you? It always just does it when running. That said, I do wish uv had `uv activate`. I like just working in the virtualenv without having to `uv run` everything.
I do usually include instructions in our READMEs to do a `uv sync` as install command, in order to separate error causes, and also to allow for bootstrapping the venv so that it's available for IDEs.
That makes sense, thanks.