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Finland's National Allergy Program Successfully Reduces Allergic Diseases

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Re: Finland's National Allergy Program Successfully Reduces Allergic Diseases

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Kids should be allowed to eat dirt. They should be exposed to rich, biodiverse environments, not just asphalt, rubber safety mats or impoverished monocultural lawns (although the latter are better than nothing, at least unless they're chock full of pesticides and herbicides…) Adults should, too, for that matter.

At my last wedding kids were competing in who can get the highest/most: licking the windows

How many weddings have you had?

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The hygiene hypothesis [1] is real. Let kids play in the dirt, otherwise they'll develop severe allergies to innocuous substances. Early development is when the immune system trains on what is actually harmful. If you don't stimulate it, you wind up with pollen and peanut allergies instead of parasite and bacteria immune responses. From the paper: Primary prevention Support breastfeeding, with solid foods from 4–6 mo…

> Antibiotics should only be used in cases of true need

This is going to be a big deal in the next 20 years.

I’m from a third world country and the usage of antibiotics is SO irresponsible. People take them (and give them to their children) as candy.

Re: Finland's National Allergy Program Successfully Reduces Allergic Diseases

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For me this link results in a 503 I've read the gist of this article in my local news org feed. What it basically comes down to is that Finnish scientists noticed that Russian children who grew up in rural areas usually had way less asthma cases than Finnish city children, and thus began to research why this was the case. They hypothesized that early (first 10000 days) exposure to micro-organisms might play a key rol…

Anecdotal backup: as a child I had a horrendous dust allergy that led to multiple hospital visits. To mitigate the problem, my mom became a clean freak, trying to keep our apartment dust-free. The allergy persisted until I grew up and moved out on my own without having a vacuum cleaner. Living in a messier environment led to the allergy basically disappearing.

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For me this link results in a 503 I've read the gist of this article in my local news org feed. What it basically comes down to is that Finnish scientists noticed that Russian children who grew up in rural areas usually had way less asthma cases than Finnish city children, and thus began to research why this was the case. They hypothesized that early (first 10000 days) exposure to micro-organisms might play a key rol…

Reminds me of a dark joke I sometimes make: Why are there no Turkish people above forty with nut allergies? Because they all died in early childhood.

I get the joke, but I was born and raised in Turkey and I have never met a child or adult with nut allergy while I was there. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but it's incredibly rare.

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Kids should be allowed to eat dirt. They should be exposed to rich, biodiverse environments, not just asphalt, rubber safety mats or impoverished monocultural lawns (although the latter are better than nothing, at least unless they're chock full of pesticides and herbicides…) Adults should, too, for that matter.

The CDC advises not to let small children play directly in dirt patches because of the lead risk.

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For me this link results in a 503 I've read the gist of this article in my local news org feed. What it basically comes down to is that Finnish scientists noticed that Russian children who grew up in rural areas usually had way less asthma cases than Finnish city children, and thus began to research why this was the case. They hypothesized that early (first 10000 days) exposure to micro-organisms might play a key rol…

I have allergy, asthma, colitis ulcerosa. I'm allergic to hay, pollen of trees and grasses, dust mites, cat saliva, etc. I've lived in countryside till my 20s, then moved to a big city.

My allergies got better when I moved to a city (probably because there's less allergens), but when I return to the countryside it's still bad (usually it's the worst for the first few days). At least it's not as bad as when I was young (I usually spent a few weeks each year at hospital because of asthma befoer I got 18).

When it comes to air pollution - I grew up during communism in Poland - we had asbestos roof (eternit), everybody was heating their homes with dirtiest and cheapest coal during the winter, and A LOT of people smoked like locomotives. It changed slowly over time.

IMHO there's way too many factors to reduce this to one factor (like sterile environment early on). It probably helps not to have it, but it's not a simple 1-1 relationship.

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Kids should be allowed to eat dirt. They should be exposed to rich, biodiverse environments, not just asphalt, rubber safety mats or impoverished monocultural lawns (although the latter are better than nothing, at least unless they're chock full of pesticides and herbicides…) Adults should, too, for that matter.

At my last wedding kids were competing in who can get the highest/most: licking the windows

In French, "licking the windows" means window shopping (looking without buying).

Sounds like the kids were having more fun though.

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Kids should be allowed to eat dirt. They should be exposed to rich, biodiverse environments, not just asphalt, rubber safety mats or impoverished monocultural lawns (although the latter are better than nothing, at least unless they're chock full of pesticides and herbicides…) Adults should, too, for that matter.

The CDC advises not to let small children play directly in dirt patches because of the lead risk.

Not a problem in these parts I don't think, except possibly on old industrial lots and similar. Though as a child I did used to live in a brownfield area that was in the middle of development – there was a lot of very contaminated earth and other hazardous things that of course invited kids to explore. Thankfully I was already past the dirt-eating phase.

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Sweden, norway, denmark. All slightly further away from russia!

Norway borders Russia if you’re being technical, but yes the entire of Finland is within about 400 miles of Russia, and Helsinki just over 100 miles from border, where Oslo is 1000.

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my wife couldn't breastfeed because there was no milk production. That's the top recommendation? Now what will happen to my son?

Your wife lost the genetic lottery. That doesn't mean you did anything wrong, or could've done anything better. When faced with the choice between "a higher chance of allergies" and "starving your son to death", you did the right thing if your son survived.

I think society as a whole would benefit from (government supported, modern takes on) wet nursing facilities so that every parent has access to natural breast milk, but the unfortunate fact is that today many parents simply don't.

Advice like this is aimed more at mothers who do have milk production but are considering formula because of the incredible drain breastfeeding puts on the body. Formula may still be the better option (what good is breastfeeding when the mother suffers so bad that it impacts the parents' ability to take care of their child?), but for those lucky enough not to suffer too much from breastfeeding, knowing the health benefits may change their minds, or decrease or delay the use of formula for just a little longer.

As for what will happen to your son: who knows, it's all probabilities. You can't connect a specific allergy to a decision. Some breastfed kids get allergies, some formula kids grow up without any. All these statistics state is that probabilities are a bit more favourable across millions of babies when more of them are breastfed. He'll probably be fine, and if he won't be, it's not your fault or anyone else's.

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