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Re: New tools for building agents

#61

Nice to finally see one of the labs throwing weight behind a much needed simple abstraction. It's clear they learned from the incumbents (langchain et al)-- don't sell complexity. Also very nice of them to include extensible tracing. The AgentOps integration is a nice touch to getting behind the scenes to understand how handoffs and tool calls are triggered

why agentops specifically? doesnt the oai first party one also do it?

Re: New tools for building agents

#62

I'm impressed by the advances in Computer Use mentioned here and this got me wondering - is this already mature enough to be utilized for usability testing? Would I be right to assume that in general, a UI that is more difficult for AI to navigate is likely to also be relatively difficult for humans, and that it's a signal that it should be simplified/improved in some way?

Why would you assume that? Modality of engagement is drastically different between the way LLM engages with UI vs human being

Re: New tools for building agents

#64

Does the SDK allow executing Python code generated in some sort of sandbox? If not are there any open source library which does this for us? I would ideally like the state of the code executed, including return values, available for the entire chat session, like IPython, so that subsequent LLM generated code can use them.

Yeah, OpenInterpreter does this (you are not limited to OpenAI only): https://github.com/OpenInterpreter/open-interpreter

I wrote a wrapper around it that works in a web browser (you'll need an OpenAI API key): https://github.com/uhsealevelcenter/IDEA

Re: New tools for building agents

#65
There's a really good thread on Twitter from the designer of the new APIs going into the background behind many of the design decisions: https://twitter.com/athyuttamre/status/1899541471532867821

Here's the alternative link for people who aren't signed in to Twitter: https://nitter.net/athyuttamre/status/1899541471532867821

Re: New tools for building agents

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post #17
post #7

Notably not mentioned: Model Context Protocol https://www.anthropic.com/news/model-context-protocol

How do they compare?

MCP is a protocol, and Anthropic has provided SDKs for implementing that protocol. In practice, I find the MCP protocol to be pretty great, but it leaves basically everything except the model parts out. I.e. MCP really only addresses how "agentic" systems interact with one another, nothing else.

This SDK is trying to provide a bunch of code for implementing specific agent codebases. There are a bunch of open source ones already, so this is OpenAI throwing their hat in the ring.

IMO this OpenAI release is kind of ecosystem-hostile in that they are directly competing with their users, in the same way that the GPT apps were.

Re: New tools for building agents

#67
Feels like OpenAI really want to compete with its own ecosystem. I guess they are doing this to try to position themselves as the standard web index that everyone uses, and the standard RAG service, etc.

But they could just make great services and live in the infra layer instead of trying to squeeze everyone out at the application layer. Seems unnecessarily ecosystem-hostile

Re: New tools for building agents

#68

Nice to finally see one of the labs throwing weight behind a much needed simple abstraction. It's clear they learned from the incumbents (langchain et al)-- don't sell complexity. Also very nice of them to include extensible tracing. The AgentOps integration is a nice touch to getting behind the scenes to understand how handoffs and tool calls are triggered

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Re: New tools for building agents

#69
post #66
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do they compare?

MCP is a protocol, and Anthropic has provided SDKs for implementing that protocol. In practice, I find the MCP protocol to be pretty great, but it leaves basically everything except the model parts out. I.e. MCP really only addresses how "agentic" systems interact with one another, nothing else. This SDK is trying to provide a bunch of code for implementing specific agent codebases. There are a bunch of open source o…

Thank you. Which open source ones do you recommend?

Re: New tools for building agents

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Is it just me, or is what OpenAI is really lacking is a billing API/platform? As an engineer, I have to manage the cost/service ratio manually, making sure I charge enough to handle my traffic, while enforcing/managing/policing the usage. Additionally, there are customers who already pay for OpenAI, so the value add for them is less, since they are paying twice for the underlying capabilities. If OpenAPI had a billin…

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