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AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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It's interesting to see the strong negative reactions to this. I people are reading this and imagining themselves on the receiving end of an AI-enhanced profile or chat. Contrast that with the reactions any time there's an article about AI-assisted resume generation or job applications: The sentiment in HN comments (and in many places across the internet) is that using AI to write a resume and apply for jobs should b…

> Contrast that with the reactions any time there's an article about AI-assisted resume generation The sentiment in HN comments (and in many places across the internet) is that using AI to write a resume and apply for jobs should be fair game

These 2 scenarios don’t have any commonality. You’re comparing how AI is being used in two different types of “social games” that have wildly different stakes. The stakes make this incomparable.

Dating apps are about fostering human connection. AI posing as a person is the opposite of human connection

Meanwhile, not having a job for the vast majority people means you can’t eat. The system shouldn’t punish people for using a tool that helps them find work to survive

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

#62

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What would you recommend he have done instead? Your reaction is an example of why dating is so hard for guys. There is no way to approach women without risking a potentially reputation-ruining reaction.

Well, there's definitely no right way to do a cold approach and immediate invitation to a date to a stranger on the street; there are contexts where people are signalling they are open to dating approahces from strangers (dating apps, certain singles events—but even a certain amount of mutual sharing, facilitated by the app or event, is normal before an invitation, for both parties to do some assessment of compatibil…

>>you also signal that your only concern in dating in appearance

a) first, i didnt tell her my assumption?!!!

b) you are sounding like: "do not do any of those assumptions because they are wrong and listen..." - in fact: EVERYBODY is doing those assumptions/calculations when approaching someone, regardless the environment - so there is absolutely no reason to point out that my "behaviour" is somehow any specific to someone else - this is just disguise from yours :-)

c) what about all this buff then: "why does nobody invites me on a date?" and "why do men do not speak to women openly" etc. and all this stuff that we can read everywhere, like: Men have to approch Women, so i did. And failed. And now you have your perspective, thats OK.

d) WHENEVER you are speaking to someone in a club/socialevent/etc. your primary signal is appearance, so do not try to wrap this otherwise since experiments & data show absolutely whats going on.

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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Well, if you are telling me about problem X, which could easily resolved and which would be useful and beneficial for you, and we could solve it with low transactions costs, and i present you the solution Y to your problem X: Why should this be offensive? (obviously they have some "logistics alignment problem", if the have those dicussions?) example: im living alone and i also hired someone to do this. I do not get w…

People often make the mistake of thinking “I want to rant about X” means “I’d like a near stranger to tell me how to fix X”. “Why don’t you just get someone in to clean”, specifically, may also cause a perception of criticism. Perhaps they want their kids to learn to do the chore for when they live alone. Etc.

OK, i get the idea of that stranger guy in the metro telling you how to fix your life when he saw that you are scrolling whatever self-help-page.

Well, in this specific case: This wasnt our first date, we met already several times before; so i was not just throwing over this idea as a stranger.

And i get the educational-track here that you are pointing on - the thing is, if you would know about their frequency (as told by her), then you see that a critical level may be achieved at which you shouldn bet on "if-its-dirty-enough-the-kids-will-do-it-somewhen" ;-) ;-)

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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I found myself single in my late 30s after a long relationship ended. Dipping my toe in the water with the apps was not an experience that I enjoyed. I met my ex online at a time when people didn’t admit they met online. That was a far better time for online dating. What I know with absolute certainty is that adding AI to the pre-meeting process is exactly the opposite of what I want, especially if that means I’m not…

late 30s is the prime dating market for men when scales tip towards their favor. enjoy!!

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Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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I found myself single in my late 30s after a long relationship ended. Dipping my toe in the water with the apps was not an experience that I enjoyed. I met my ex online at a time when people didn’t admit they met online. That was a far better time for online dating. What I know with absolute certainty is that adding AI to the pre-meeting process is exactly the opposite of what I want, especially if that means I’m not…

I was almost exactly in the same situation as you. In my 20s, I remember using OKCupid, but the OKCupid I found when I tried again in my 30s was very different (it is owned by Match afterall). All the apps were very similar, and the only chance I had of actually getting anywhere was sinking a ton of money into them. I was heavily active on 3-4 apps and vaguely active of 3-4 others, for nearly a year. I think I sunk ~$500 into the apps, with maybe 2 dozen dates to show of it.

Part of the problem is the abundance of profiles. We get trained to judge people on a very superficial level, because there's just too many people to properly analyze. I found myself going through phases of trying to swipe everyone right, and then through phases of being a lot more picky and swiping left of anyone that had the smallest flaw.

You're right that at the end of the day, the best way was to meet people IRL asap and get to know them that way. That being said, for busy full time adults, that's still a lot of work and effort.

Dating I find is especially hard for people who don't have third spaces. For introverts hanging out online. You can have third spaces online (twitch, discord, gaming communities), but it's harder to find local people there.

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

#66

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Well, there's definitely no right way to do a cold approach and immediate invitation to a date to a stranger on the street; there are contexts where people are signalling they are open to dating approahces from strangers (dating apps, certain singles events—but even a certain amount of mutual sharing, facilitated by the app or event, is normal before an invitation, for both parties to do some assessment of compatibil…

>>you also signal that your only concern in dating in appearance a) first, i didnt tell her my assumption?!!! b) you are sounding like: "do not do any of those assumptions because they are wrong and listen..." - in fact: EVERYBODY is doing those assumptions/calculations when approaching someone, regardless the environment - so there is absolutely no reason to point out that my "behaviour" is somehow any specific to s…

> a) first, i didnt tell her my assumption?!!!

You approached her cold on the street knowing nothing about her but her appearance. You don't need to tell your assumption. Women have brains.

> you are sounding like: "do not do any of those assumptions because they are wrong and listen..."

While I may have an opinion on the assumptions you are making, I am not at all expressing that. What I am expressing is that you are failing to consider important factors in your calculation, namely, the social context, and the impapct of the social context on the way your actions are perceived by someone doing their own set of calculations.

> what about all this buff then: "why does nobody invites me on a date?

This is about what happens in social contexts where dating intent is signalled, not in those where it is not.

> and "why do men do not speak to women openly"

"Speaking" here is not code for "invite on dates", and, again, this still is sensitive to appropriate social contexts.

> Men have to approch Women, so i did. And failed.

You have confused a broad (though not universal) social expectation that men should be the party to approach women with the concept that it is equally beneficial to do so in any social context and all that matters is that there is a woman you think you might want to date present to make it appropriate. This is...incorrect.

You have managed to wrap your brain around (even if you may have overgeneralized it) a single social expectation. Your success may be improved when you increase your capacity for processing social expectations relevant to your task to a quantity greater than one.

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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>>you also signal that your only concern in dating in appearance a) first, i didnt tell her my assumption?!!! b) you are sounding like: "do not do any of those assumptions because they are wrong and listen..." - in fact: EVERYBODY is doing those assumptions/calculations when approaching someone, regardless the environment - so there is absolutely no reason to point out that my "behaviour" is somehow any specific to s…

> a) first, i didnt tell her my assumption?!!! You approached her cold on the street knowing nothing about her but her appearance. You don't need to tell your assumption. Women have brains. > you are sounding like: "do not do any of those assumptions because they are wrong and listen..." While I may have an opinion on the assumptions you are making, I am not at all expressing that. What I am expressing is that you ar…

If a guy sees an attractive woman out in real life somewhere, is there any action he can take that would be appropriate? What specifically should a guy do?

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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> But those “struggling users” who may be lacking in social skills, and begin to rely on AI assistants to craft conversations for them, may have difficulty once they arrive on real-life dates, without the use of their phone to help them converse. This could lead to anxiety and further retreat into the comfort of the digital space, a group of academics has claimed.

It may also not for some of them. For me, digital vs IRL is a different experience. My style of communicating is different.

> It could also erode the trust users have in the authenticity of others on the app. Who is using AI and who is a genuine, flesh-and-blood human tapping away behind the screen?

This is already a general issue for the whole internet, not just online dating.

If certain people struggle with social skills, they should get social skills training. Dating coaches exist. They're not cheap but exist.

> Many single people say that it has never been more difficult to find a loving relationship.

I agree, my last dating period was 3 years ago. It required a lot more skill than 15 years ago.

> homogenising profiles

This is already happening based on my experience. But they do forget though that during the dates the homogeneity goes out of the window by quite a bit. It's only the online part that has this.

> But proponents of dating app AI say that assistants and “dating wingmen”, as they’re known, could help reduce dating app fatigue

Not really as the recipient will now be wondering whether an AI is talking to her/him. So the fatigue is transferred.

> Last year, product manager Aleksandr Zhadan programmed ChatGPT to swipe through and chat to more than 5,000 women on his behalf on Tinder. Eventually, he met the woman who is now his fiancée.

That worked because it's still a growth hack. Not many people are doing it. The moment that many people are doing it, this probably won't work anymore. I made a simple autoswiper too, swiped through 200K profiles and found my wife that way. I did the chatting on my own because ChatGPT 3.5 couldn't keep up with my playfulness. Also, the chatting for me served as an anchor to start the date off with a blast. I specifically remember when I met my wife on our first date that I was groggy and cranky due to a severe lack of sleep. But when we met, one of us used callback humor from our Tinder conversation and our time with each other has been hype ever since. If I'd had used ChatGPT there, that date may have started off less well since I wouldn't know any of the playful things I'd have mentioned.

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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From me because you turned a thread about online dating into a missive that reads "woke feminists today, amirite?"

Well, if this is your only worries, then, yes, you are right: Im a very-bad-Super-Nazi (or even more!) when just telling that i was wondered about getting offended because of using the regular "local language" LOL :-)

Why did you ask if you didn't want to know?
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