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The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by jmisavage »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #59
nickthegreek wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari and Firefox are capable web browsers. Where do people get this outlandish take from?

Can't speak for Safari, but Firefox has never been anything but a dumpster fire for me. Constant reminders about updates and a UI that slows my computer to a crawl no matter what I do. Yes, I open many tabs and don't use a turbocharged laptop, but the same applies to my Chrome use with next to no problems, so really, fuck you Firefox for not adjusting after decades, as per possible user needs. Chrome seems to manage…

When was the last time you tried? I have a 2012 Mac mini that runs it like a champ and has done so for a very long time. I only have a handful of plugins but uBlock Origin is one of them.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by 3vidence »

bdavbdav wrote: post #53
dlcarrier wrote: post #50

Last time the DOJ declared a web browser monopoly, they lost the case on appeal, then the web browser does on its own. The problem isn't within Google. They aren't doing anything substantial to lock users into Chrome. The problem is unforced errors on the part of both Apple and Mozilla creating awful web browsers that aren't worth using.

Not used Firefox in ages, but what’s the matter with Safari? It sips battery and cpu cycles on my macs.

On the developer side I've always found Safari messy to support with out of date APIs

Feels like Apple doesn't really care about it

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by DragonStrength »

dlcarrier wrote: post #50

Last time the DOJ declared a web browser monopoly, they lost the case on appeal, then the web browser does on its own. The problem isn't within Google. They aren't doing anything substantial to lock users into Chrome. The problem is unforced errors on the part of both Apple and Mozilla creating awful web browsers that aren't worth using.

Well, last time, the presidential election changed executive support as well. That would make this significant since it’s a new Justice Dept.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by tmottabr »

OptionOfT wrote: post #49
lifeinthevoid wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch to Firefox!

Firefox on iOS has no built-in adblocker making it a no-go. And I need sync between platforms.

firefox on iOS on most places is just a firefox skin on top of safari, since Apple does not let other browsers engines in iOS..

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by ein0p »

lolinder wrote: post #11

To try to stem the tide of "Trump will just make this go away because ${corruption}", I want to remind everyone of a few things: * This is not a Biden-admin lawsuit. It was launched by the first Trump admin. * Of the 14 co-plaintiffs, only 1 (CA) is a state that didn't vote for Trump in 2024. The Colorado Plaintiff States include another 16 red states, for a total of 29 red states represented. As much as it's trendy…

Yeah, I don't think Trump has any sympathy for Google whatsoever, given how censorious (and proud of it) it was on both Google Search and on YouTube in the 2020 election cycle. Good luck, Google, you're gonna need it.

That said, Chrome is not really viable on its own, and it's the wrong "split" to enforce. The correct split is "down the middle" right through the money-making businesses - create two Googles, with their own search and search/web ads and ensure (through antitrust oversight) that they compete with each other instead of rubbing each other's back. Spin out Cloud and Android/Play Store into separate companies. Separate all four from Alphabet. The rest of the money-losing properties (including Chrome) can be distributed arbitrarily, it doesn't really matter.

Or something to that effect. As long as ads are split down the middle, and separated from Alphabet, that's all that really matters. Unless this happens, any "antitrust" against Google is bullshit for those who can't read its SEC filings.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by tgv »

OptionOfT wrote: post #49
lifeinthevoid wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch to Firefox!

Firefox on iOS has no built-in adblocker making it a no-go. And I need sync between platforms.

Firefox Focus at least removes trackers. It's a wrapper around Safari, anyway.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by rany_ »

jherdman wrote: post #33
drivingmenuts wrote: post #19

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Apache is where projects go to slowly die.

Is this really true? Something that can be supported by clear evidence? I’ve seen this trotted out many times, but it seems like there are interesting Apache projects: https://airflow.apache.org/ https://iceberg.apache.org/ https://kafka.apache.org/ https://superset.apache.org/

https://openoffice.apache.org/ is the context in which I've seen this saying get regurgitated the most.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by 3vidence »

(Googler opinions are my own, don't work on chrome)

Chrome has just been a better product for the last 10 to 15 years.

Every other company has just failed to make a good browser because they lack the incentives to do so (have gone back and forth as a Firefox user).

The only competitive browsers are those already built on chrome or safari.

I'm not personally a big fan of Safari but it's bigger issue is that it is only available on one platform whereas the web is naturally cross platform.

Almost by definition Safari can't be the "winning" browser.

This feels like ruling that the iPhone is a monopoly in the US and that Apple needs to divest from phones.

Edit: to those replying I 100% don't agree with all the decisions chrome make, very importantly ad block.

But just survey the actual browser market in the last 10 years to understand Chrome's dominance

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