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Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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post #59

Something that my medical professor used to tell us was that sugar and salt are man made things (processed sugar). And not something we found in nature and something that our bodies are not evolutionary developed to handle. So too much of salt and sugar was a good thing. So which makes sense

Did you mean to say "too much of salt and sugar WASN'T a good thing"?

Isn't sugar sugar, no matter in what form?

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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my go to drink for pancreatic terrorism as of late is Dunkin Donut's Caramel Creme Frozen Coffee - Large at 172g of sugar per serving

How much is a donut? I think Elon Musk says he eats quite a few through the day. Yet he's healthy as an old race horse.

What evidence is there to support the claim that Elon Musk is "healthy as an old race horse"?

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

#63

Is this a valid study? (most dietary studies are pretty poor) Is it the lack of sugar or is that people who don't put sugar in their coffee have a bunch of other things they do? Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are less likely to eat donuts. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more likely to workout. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more like to have better genes f…

Also: Does the addition of milk to coffee nullify or reduce its antioxidant effects, the way it reportedly does to tea?

Does "antioxidant" there just refer to tannin, really? If you like tea strong, it's necessary to add some milk to bind to some of the tannins so it remains drinkable and doesn't try to turn your esophagus to leather.

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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That's semi-reasonable in America, but less so in any country with single-payer health care. Like smoking, there are serious effects later in life that cost money to treat; this makes for a compelling case for a sin tax IMO, like we have for tobacco and liquor here in Canada.

So if we vote for a single payer healthcare system, we get a back door for government tyranny over every little aspect of our lives that they decide is bad for us, including as the science shifts? Don’t eat eggs or you lose your coverage, no wait, eat 3 eggs a week or you lose your coverage, no wait.. Sounds like a bad deal, and most Americans will take freedom over free health care if that’s the cost.

It doesn't work like that.

In a single payer system, the government is mandated to provide you with health care, since you are paying for it with your taxes (or would be if your income was high enough), no exceptions.

Typical tools of such governments include:

- taxes on products which are deemed of danger to public health, for example taxes on cigarettes in the EU. The government is then mandated to invest these taxes into the health care system

- public health campaigns (ads etc.)

- age restrictions, as they exist on alcohol in the US.

Legislation shifts to represent newest advances in science, yes. That's not per se a bad thing.

Not every country with a single-payer system is an authoritarian communist hellscape, you know.

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's semi-reasonable in America, but less so in any country with single-payer health care. Like smoking, there are serious effects later in life that cost money to treat; this makes for a compelling case for a sin tax IMO, like we have for tobacco and liquor here in Canada.

So if we vote for a single payer healthcare system, we get a back door for government tyranny over every little aspect of our lives that they decide is bad for us, including as the science shifts? Don’t eat eggs or you lose your coverage, no wait, eat 3 eggs a week or you lose your coverage, no wait.. Sounds like a bad deal, and most Americans will take freedom over free health care if that’s the cost.

That sound very reasonable and I'm inclined to agree, but empirically US health care system is the worst I know of. You're only free if you're rich and if you're rich you're not free, cause you've got so much to lose.

And from a more theoretical viewpoint the societal cost of unhealthy people is still there at the least in loss of productivity, so the argument for prohibition is still there and the US is only really liberal in things that are backed by wealthy corporations/people that have subverted the government.

In the end I guess freedom is the straw man here.

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

#66
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's semi-reasonable in America, but less so in any country with single-payer health care. Like smoking, there are serious effects later in life that cost money to treat; this makes for a compelling case for a sin tax IMO, like we have for tobacco and liquor here in Canada.

So if we vote for a single payer healthcare system, we get a back door for government tyranny over every little aspect of our lives that they decide is bad for us, including as the science shifts? Don’t eat eggs or you lose your coverage, no wait, eat 3 eggs a week or you lose your coverage, no wait.. Sounds like a bad deal, and most Americans will take freedom over free health care if that’s the cost.

Yes, having billions poured into creating foods that are as addictive as possible and manipulation campaigns to get people hooked is a much better system.

This system also affects your freedoms in many ways. If a large portion of the population gets fat, you have a smaller pool of people that are able to do physical work, making it more expensive for you. You have a lot more demand for healthcare, making it more expensive for you. You have people demanding car-centric infrastructure because they can't walk, and that will affect you. Etc.

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

#67
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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's semi-reasonable in America, but less so in any country with single-payer health care. Like smoking, there are serious effects later in life that cost money to treat; this makes for a compelling case for a sin tax IMO, like we have for tobacco and liquor here in Canada.

Won’t the smokers die earlier and save the government old age benefits?

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Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

#68
post #59

Something that my medical professor used to tell us was that sugar and salt are man made things (processed sugar). And not something we found in nature and something that our bodies are not evolutionary developed to handle. So too much of salt and sugar was a good thing. So which makes sense

Salt is a manmade thing? Espresso and cappuccino isn’t? I… what?

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

#69

Is this a valid study? (most dietary studies are pretty poor) Is it the lack of sugar or is that people who don't put sugar in their coffee have a bunch of other things they do? Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are less likely to eat donuts. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more likely to workout. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more like to have better genes f…

> Is this a valid study? It’s a very American study. Who puts cream in their coffee?! And what about cappuccinos? (Almost all of my coffee consumption is cappuccinos…)

>Who puts cream in their coffee?!

Lots of people all over Europe too

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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post #59

Something that my medical professor used to tell us was that sugar and salt are man made things (processed sugar). And not something we found in nature and something that our bodies are not evolutionary developed to handle. So too much of salt and sugar was a good thing. So which makes sense

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