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Re: Things we've learned about building products

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>> Wow. 900 applications down to 10 "SuperDay" participants down to 4 hires. All to work at.... posthog. What a depressing statistic. Yeah, at first I thought it was some kind of parody, then I realized it's a serious article and was astonished.

> “If you aren't excited about what you're working on, pivot. It's as simple as that. You'll achieve more if you're working on something that feels yours.” I doubt the rank and file ICs feel this way at all. It's analytics plumbing, and it's all for the sake of the paycheck.

Ya I have yet to meet anyone who is passionate about analytics plumbing surprisingly, I’m glad posthog has found the 4 people in the world who truly are.

What this really translates to is the founders saying “we think posthog is our golden ticket to becoming rich in an exit event someday, so don’t mess it up for us”. It’s just not politically correct to say that, so it’s expressed as being “passionate about the problems the company solves” or “working on something that feels yours”.

And if you’re not someone who wants to dance and clap along with the founders as they sing “I’ve got a golden ticket!” on the way to the chocolate factory, only to be left standing behind the gate as they enter, then ya go ahead and pivot because you’re killing the vibe here…

Re: Things we've learned about building products

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There are companies out there that probably do none of these things and are x1000 more successful from a revenue or market cap perspective. Seems like the biggest successes are simply being at the right place at the right time and not being a complete idiot. Nobody wants to hear that though.

Salespeople are what make a successful company, from a revenue point of view. There's only one company that I know of that's been successful at that level without sales: Atlassian. Everyone else has salespeople. If you if you don't have salespeople then you need to make a product that works and fulfills user needs. And it has to be good enough for word of mouth...which is where posthog's experience comes in.

> There's only one company that I know of that's been successful at that level without sales: Atlassian.

It's not precisely so. They do and have had partners that did sales / consulting work.

Re: Things we've learned about building products

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “If you aren't excited about what you're working on, pivot. It's as simple as that. You'll achieve more if you're working on something that feels yours.” I doubt the rank and file ICs feel this way at all. It's analytics plumbing, and it's all for the sake of the paycheck.

Ya I have yet to meet anyone who is passionate about analytics plumbing surprisingly, I’m glad posthog has found the 4 people in the world who truly are. What this really translates to is the founders saying “we think posthog is our golden ticket to becoming rich in an exit event someday, so don’t mess it up for us”. It’s just not politically correct to say that, so it’s expressed as being “passionate about the probl…

If you’re very product or customer focused, you can be passionate about anything.

When I’ve worked at shops that made products I, personally, didn’t care about, it was always satisfying to see a customer be excited about a feature or be thankful for the tool I’m building.

The first time that happened was when an admin thanked me in a support ticket for speeding up the generation of expense report spreadsheets way back.

Re: Things we've learned about building products

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Wow. 900 applications down to 10 "SuperDay" participants down to 4 hires. All to work at.... posthog. What a depressing statistic. This felt like a humble brag to help make their point about hiring good talent and how many people want to be a hogger (or whatever they call people that work there) but this just really highlights how brutal the job market is. Yes the market is also flooded with unqualified applicants an…

> Wow. 900 applications down to 10 "SuperDay" participants down to 4 hires.

You’re almost 10 times more likely to be accepted to Stanford’s undergraduate program than to ever work as a hogger

Re: Things we've learned about building products

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Wow. 900 applications down to 10 "SuperDay" participants down to 4 hires. All to work at.... posthog. What a depressing statistic. This felt like a humble brag to help make their point about hiring good talent and how many people want to be a hogger (or whatever they call people that work there) but this just really highlights how brutal the job market is. Yes the market is also flooded with unqualified applicants an…

> Let me know when you're on par with Google in terms of revenue or benefits or prestige

Do you really choose your employer based on their revenue? or prestige??

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “If you aren't excited about what you're working on, pivot. It's as simple as that. You'll achieve more if you're working on something that feels yours.” I doubt the rank and file ICs feel this way at all. It's analytics plumbing, and it's all for the sake of the paycheck.

Ya I have yet to meet anyone who is passionate about analytics plumbing surprisingly, I’m glad posthog has found the 4 people in the world who truly are. What this really translates to is the founders saying “we think posthog is our golden ticket to becoming rich in an exit event someday, so don’t mess it up for us”. It’s just not politically correct to say that, so it’s expressed as being “passionate about the probl…

Have you bothered to spend any time looking at their entirely open source product, docs, handbook, etc? There are many different things going on here. A gross and frankly ignorant simplification, considering what they've built.

Re: Things we've learned about building products

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Wow. 900 applications down to 10 "SuperDay" participants down to 4 hires. All to work at.... posthog. What a depressing statistic. This felt like a humble brag to help make their point about hiring good talent and how many people want to be a hogger (or whatever they call people that work there) but this just really highlights how brutal the job market is. Yes the market is also flooded with unqualified applicants an…

The funny thing is that small companies that create a hiring process like this because they will only tolerate working with the best people actually end up selecting the best of the most desperate people, which was usually not the intention.

I've worked at many startups over the years and I've always been very involved in hiring, I call this the MDE (most desperate engineer) effect and it's something I always try to make founders, other engineers, etc... understand when the company starts to discuss hiring processes more.

The premise is simple, the difficulty of your hiring process needs to be directly corelated to the perceived future value of said company. If you are an OpenAI right now, you can have the most difficult, convoluted, time intensive hiring process in the world and the best engineers will still sit through it because they score very high in potential future value. Other companies cannot / should not have as difficult of a hiring process because you will end up selecting from a pool of people who are willing to endure anything just to get a job, get experience, get a job that pays in USD, renew their H1B visa, etc...

This doesn't mean these people are bad engineers or shouldn't be considered, but if I had a dollar for every time a founder or CTO at a startup said that this company is only hiring the best, most passionate people bar none I would be a rich man, and a lot of the people in this category just need a job to put food on the table (which seems to be exactly the kind of people the company wants to avoid at all costs funnily enough).

We had enormous success at the startups I worked at where we would talk to great engineers who worked at FFANG companies and explain the problems we wanted to work on, how we were thinking of approaching it, why it was interesting to us, where we saw the company going, and how they could help us get there as opposed to trying to squeeze them through a long tedious interview cycle. Granted these people did have previous work experience to help vet them, but again the process is something that can be adjusted depending on where the company is and what you are looking for.

Re: Things we've learned about building products

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Wow. 900 applications down to 10 "SuperDay" participants down to 4 hires. All to work at.... posthog. What a depressing statistic. This felt like a humble brag to help make their point about hiring good talent and how many people want to be a hogger (or whatever they call people that work there) but this just really highlights how brutal the job market is. Yes the market is also flooded with unqualified applicants an…

> Let me know when you're on par with Google in terms of revenue or benefits or prestige Do you really choose your employer based on their revenue? or prestige??

I would bet a majority of engineers at FAANG companies are there primarily - or in large part - because of the prestige.
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