Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

Post by vonneumannstan » Wed, Mar 05, 2025, 4:37 PM UTC

visarga wrote: post #54

Version467 wrote: post #52

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Very disappointing. I do not understand how people earnestly defend the successionist view as a good future, but I thought he might at least give some interesting arguments. This talk isn't that. There are no substantive arguments for why we should embrace this future and his representation of the opposite side isn't in good faith either, instead he chose to present straw-man versions of them. He concludes with "A su…

> ai succession necessarily includes replacement How is AI going to make its own chips and energy? The supply chain for AI hardware is long an fragile. AGI will have an interest in maintaining peace for this reason. And why would it replace us, our thoughts are like food for AI. Our bodies are very efficient and mobile, biology will certainly be an option for AGI at some point.

Post by vonneumannstan » Wed, Mar 05, 2025, 4:41 PM UTC

nycticorax wrote: post #51

vonneumannstan wrote: post #50

Good time to remind everyone that Sutton is a human successionist and doesn't care if humans all die. He is not to be trusted nor celebrated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgHFMolXs3U

This is so silly. Do you imagine temporal difference learning is some kind of human successionist plot?

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 05, 2025, 4:48 PM UTC

textlapse wrote: post #55

vonneumannstan wrote: post #50

Good time to remind everyone that Sutton is a human successionist and doesn't care if humans all die. He is not to be trusted nor celebrated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgHFMolXs3U

The ACM award is for their professional academic achievements - this fetishism to dig into another person’s personal life and find the most weird thing they said as the thing that paints over all of their life’s achievements as evil must stop. It’s silly and dangerous. Because you don’t like thing A and they said/did thing A all of their lofty accomplishments get nullified by anyone. And worst of all internet gives y…

Post by beepbooptheory » Wed, Mar 05, 2025, 5:03 PM UTC

visarga wrote: post #58

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #29

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First there was AlphaGo, which had learnt from human games, then further improved from self-play, then there was AlphaGo Zero which taught itself from scratch just by self-play, not using any human data at all. Game programs like AlphaGo and AlphaZero (chess) are all brute force at core - using MCTS (Monte Carlo Tree Search) to project all potential branching game continuations many moves ahead. Where the intelligenc…

> Game programs like AlphaGo and AlphaZero (chess) are all brute force at core - What do you call 2500 years of human game play if not brute force? Cultural evolution took 300K years, quite a lot of resources if you ask me.

Post by HPMOR » Wed, Mar 05, 2025, 5:13 PM UTC

zackkatz wrote: post #23

Very cool to see this! It turns out my wife and I bought Andy Barto’s (and his wife’s) house. During the process, there was a bidding war. They said “make your prime offer” so, knowing he was a mathematician, we made an offer that was a prime number :-) So neat to see him be recognized for his work.