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rap producers are running out of samples to use for new tracks. Everything vintage that can be used has been used, sampling real estate is pretty much dried up. Why would you take away a project that brings a net benefit to humanity?
DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
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Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#62If I am to retain any interest as an amateur music writer without proaudio engineering skills and equipment, but with a day job, , I want tools that help me enact MY vision to reality. That means multi tracking, ability to hum or score a melody and have it transfer to musical instrument, ability to enter existing tracks, provide a temporal segment for diffusion, and ask it to 'generate a counterpoint to the melody wi…
^ THIS
As an amateur musician, I'd like tools that help me be more productive musically - those that complement my skills (whatever they may be). All the things you mentioned above, namely, ability to score a melody via a simple hum, transfer to various instruments, generate proper responses to calls, generate melodies within a framework, etc., all these would be super valuable to me.
I'm an OK guitar + bass + keyboard player, I'd LOVE to have an AI assistant that accompanies along. That would make my own jammin' so much richer.
I dont think we have seen the end of AI-driven tools in music-tech yet. I'm cautiously hopeful.
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not everyone enjoys composing music, and for a large group of people paying an artist is not an option. There's a lot to critizise about current AI tech, saying of all things this has no net benefit seems like the wrong thing to call out, and incredibly short sighted for HN.
In this particular case it is totally black and white. Prove me wrong. Tell me one example how music gen in any way benefits anybody to the level that is worth putting out of business the last few artists that make ends meet?
The difference between today and the hypothetical case of not one artist making ends meet from their music is what, 0.1%? 0.01%?
We would be better off if the other 99.9% didn't have worry about making ends meet, than if we do whatever it takes to keep the status quo of the 0.1% intact. That does not only go for artists.
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Put another way, they hate costs, and all of us are costs :)
Whats the end game here? Let’s follow the AI and automation craze to its eventual conclusion - automations everywhere, humans are either employed in automation industry, or are unemployed at a massive scale. Stable jobs are replaced by ever-optimized gig economy for some, and chronic poverty for others. For there to even be economy - the massive underemployed population subsists on government welfare. Cynic in me thi…
> Cynic in me thinks that all of the wealth generated by enormous productivity gains resulting from automation will not find its way towards population displaced by it.
Empirically, that's not true.
Unemployment was at an all-time low after most of those jobs were eliminated, and wages after adjusting for inflation continued to rise in real terms.
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're not composing music with an AI generator either: you're pushing a button with a few, limited instructions, and expect something that rewards your perception of what makes good music for your intention. If you don't enjoy composing music, just don't do it, and give it to someone who does, and has the experience/knowledge/culture/practice/gut to do it.
What an incredibly elitist, smug attitude. You're basically saying people only have the right to hear the music that professionals think they should hear.
That's not smug at all. That's not what I'm saying either.
It's just that.. you can't master something you don't practice and understand. It's true in every single thing in life you do, sports, literature, maths, music, cuisine, kindness, etc.
If you don't like to compose music, why suffer this and even submit to the randomness of some computer program, rather than giving the opportunity to another fellow human to open your ears and your mind to what they appreciate doing?
You can generate your music if you like. It just cannot compare to something a human really did on her own, and invested of her desire, time, practice, research, even a beginner.
It's not a matter of being professional or not. The best musicians I know are not professionals, they all have a day job.
For every famous star for one given instrument, you have 10s of undiscovered/local better musicians that just are carpenters, cooks, painters, drivers, factory workers.
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#66If I am to retain any interest as an amateur music writer without proaudio engineering skills and equipment, but with a day job, , I want tools that help me enact MY vision to reality. That means multi tracking, ability to hum or score a melody and have it transfer to musical instrument, ability to enter existing tracks, provide a temporal segment for diffusion, and ask it to 'generate a counterpoint to the melody wi…
The people writing the one-shot tools are living a pipe dream and are riding the hype wave. One-shot AI music will have a short amount of interest based on its novelty, but the very next generation of humans will revolt against it as a cringe decision of the old guard. Form there it might finally be applied more realistically as an aid to human expression instead of a replacement.
one-shots are essentially toys
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd be surprised if the people who are writing these understand what this means.
Yeah, I'd think that it will take commoditized generation tools that existing or new composition multi-tracking tools could incorporate. i.e. FLStudio plugin
What does the ideal VST(s) look like for you?
How would you like it to be broken down?
For example, I tend to think of "composition" and "synthesis" as two very different topics.
One VST could spit out chords or melodies (not a common VST) whereas another could render those sounds (very common VST)
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not everyone enjoys composing music, and for a large group of people paying an artist is not an option. There's a lot to critizise about current AI tech, saying of all things this has no net benefit seems like the wrong thing to call out, and incredibly short sighted for HN.
You're not composing music with an AI generator either: you're pushing a button with a few, limited instructions, and expect something that rewards your perception of what makes good music for your intention. If you don't enjoy composing music, just don't do it, and give it to someone who does, and has the experience/knowledge/culture/practice/gut to do it.
> If you don't enjoy composing music, just don't do it
This supposes that the music is the end goal, and the very point of my comment is that it doesn't always have to be, and in those cases "just don't do it" also means not doing whatever comes after.
Just as you state below, this doesn't replace creating music for the creation's sake. I don't believe it will, or should. It merely replaces having nothing at all, or having the 100,000th video with the same upbeat stock sound.
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. If you didn't understand what they don't, you'd realize that companies spending billions of dollars to create tools that make cheap simulacra of artists' wo…
Totally with you. But it's the trend we get to re-balance in a good way: > People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. This is eerily reminiscent of what's happening inside the USA government & admini…
It's incredibly elitist to gatekeep people having their plans, actions, opinions, and philosophical ideas taken seriously just because they haven't trudged through the onerous process of considering what humanity has already learned about those things. Do these people expect everybody that wants to profit must try to predict the damage that their actions could cause among people that will obviously be affected? Some people just don't like ethics that much, and expecting them to be beholden to their boundaries is pretty old fashioned.
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#70One thing that strikes me about almost every AI-generated track (from academic or commercial generators), is that even if it's often "competent" - in that it has reasonable melodies, chord progressions, etc - is how average it is. Mediocre, taking the term literally. In a way that also highlights cliches and crutches that are common in human-made music. Somewhat reminiscent of GPT text that drones on and on in a grammatically correct way but conveys little of interest. This is of course not unexpected, given how these models are trained. I wonder if this will have an effect of pushing (human) musicians to be more experimental - to move away from the conventions that are now just a click away for anyone.