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sega_sai wrote: post #47
machinekob wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contemporary academia especially in the West has a massive surplus of staff. Many people pursue academic careers solely for a comfortable lifestyle, doing minimal or even no research for long period of time. With extra lack of oversight that allows researchers to isolate themselves they create circles which cover each other. Occasionally, folks outside of the circle come in and they start finding ton of fraud in the…

Wow, experts in academic careers are contributing here. Can you please give us a source of your knowledge of why people pursue academic careers?

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Post by johnnyanmac »

userbinator wrote: post #42
EternalFury wrote: post #7

If anything in any country should be free, it should be education. And, obviously, the administration of education should never be a for-profit venture. Valuing democracy and being able to select sensible leaders depends on it.

If anything in any country should be free, it should be education. It's called The Internet.

Ahh yes, the internet. Teaching babies about cursed Elsa, young children about alternative history, frustrated young men to blame women and minorities for their problem, and women that they will never be pretty enough without consuming product. Oh and the practically unlimited porn along all stages.

Crassness aside.

1. the internet is getting more and more pay walls too. So proper education isn't even free on the internet without months of curation.

2. People who make this claim must not have seen studies about homseschooled kids. That social element in being around a group of peers is crucial development that you can't really simulate anywhere else (without again, a crap ton of money for camps or something). Especially these days when everything is trying to isolate off.

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

biophysboy wrote: post #39
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would assume non-student TAs (who do teach students), lab technical staff (who maintain equipment and and more directly enable teaching than janitorial staff) and such are also all non-staff.

Non-student TAs are typically grad students whose research lab lacks research assistant funding.

Universities try to hire grad students as TAs to help them out, but sometimes hire outsiders as TAs. It could be because the undergrad major has lots of students but the corresponding graduate major has few.

Obviously this varies from university to university and I know nothing about Cornell.

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Post by prasadjoglekar »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #38
machinekob wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contemporary academia especially in the West has a massive surplus of staff. Many people pursue academic careers solely for a comfortable lifestyle, doing minimal or even no research for long period of time. With extra lack of oversight that allows researchers to isolate themselves they create circles which cover each other. Occasionally, folks outside of the circle come in and they start finding ton of fraud in the…

What fraud happened at Harvard?

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/8/3/hbs-prof-lawsuit...

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Post by johnnyanmac »

nis0s wrote: post #52
johnnyanmac wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What fraud happened at Harvard?

If you search “Harvard research fraud” at least three distinct cases come up.

I found 2. One is an ongoing lawsuit and the other seems mostly like stupidity because people keep falling for the stupid AI grift. I can barely trust AI to produce basic boilerplate and they are trying to verify novel research with it?

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Post by grapesodaaaaa »

testfoobar wrote: post #9

Here is a 2024 article from the Stanford Daily: https://stanforddaily.com/2024/03/13/behind-stanfords-double... In 1996: 13,811 students, 1488 faculty, 5881 total staff. In 2024: 17,529 students, 2323 faculty, 16,527 total staff. In 28 years: 27% increase in students 56% increase in faculty 281% increase in total staff The ratio of staff to students is nearly 1:1 This is insane.

This is also the fallacy of looking at one metric.

Do staff include productive researchers producing net positive incoming?

Other comments mention the medical school. Are these staff providing patient care (and billing insurance)?

University staff aren’t necessarily just your traditional educators. A whole lot of productive stuff (both for the university and everyone else) can potentially benefit from “staff.”

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Post by LeafItAlone »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #30
jagged-chisel wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Janitorial, technical, nutritional … basically anyone not involved in educating students “non-faculty.”

I would assume non-student TAs (who do teach students), lab technical staff (who maintain equipment and and more directly enable teaching than janitorial staff) and such are also all non-staff.

>I would assume non-student TAs (who do teach students), lab technical staff (who maintain equipment and and more directly enable teaching than janitorial staff) and such are also all non-staff.

They are considered staff.

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Post by sega_sai »

almosthere wrote: post #59
testfoobar wrote: post #9

Here is a 2024 article from the Stanford Daily: https://stanforddaily.com/2024/03/13/behind-stanfords-double... In 1996: 13,811 students, 1488 faculty, 5881 total staff. In 2024: 17,529 students, 2323 faculty, 16,527 total staff. In 28 years: 27% increase in students 56% increase in faculty 281% increase in total staff The ratio of staff to students is nearly 1:1 This is insane.

The other insane thing is 10 students to one teacher? I don't understand that because when I went to SJSU, I was almost always in a class with 60+. For CS, it was around 30 people in the room.

Did you consider what happens to the ratio when students take more than one class ?

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Post by dmd »

almosthere wrote: post #59
testfoobar wrote: post #9

Here is a 2024 article from the Stanford Daily: https://stanforddaily.com/2024/03/13/behind-stanfords-double... In 1996: 13,811 students, 1488 faculty, 5881 total staff. In 2024: 17,529 students, 2323 faculty, 16,527 total staff. In 28 years: 27% increase in students 56% increase in faculty 281% increase in total staff The ratio of staff to students is nearly 1:1 This is insane.

The other insane thing is 10 students to one teacher? I don't understand that because when I went to SJSU, I was almost always in a class with 60+. For CS, it was around 30 people in the room.

When I was in college (25 years ago) classes were either 5-15 people or 400+; nothing in between.

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Post by metaphor »

testfoobar wrote: post #9

Here is a 2024 article from the Stanford Daily: https://stanforddaily.com/2024/03/13/behind-stanfords-double... In 1996: 13,811 students, 1488 faculty, 5881 total staff. In 2024: 17,529 students, 2323 faculty, 16,527 total staff. In 28 years: 27% increase in students 56% increase in faculty 281% increase in total staff The ratio of staff to students is nearly 1:1 This is insane.

> 281% increase in total staff

Nit: 181% increase

I do wonder what percentage of said "staff" are really just students working to fulfill student responsibility[1] for pennies on the dollar.

[1] https://financialaid.stanford.edu/undergrad/how/student.html

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