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Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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What’s the appropriate number of employees for the federal government?

Government changes over time, and the need for workforce changes with it. The number of employees a government needs is a function of what the government does and provides. Anything else would be artificial constraint, or working backwards from assumption.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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But you don't understand. If the government helps you file your taxes, they'll use the service to collect your personal data, so the communists could use it against you at some point in the future. (this is the right wing argument, so to speak)

The IRS already files its own version of your taxes. They use their version to check against what you the individual files.

The IRS has some pretty strict rules about who can access those files and how they can be shared with other agencies. In many ways these rules are unique to the IRS. Precisely because of the issues noted here.

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TIL that in America, if you work on a free tax filing system you are considered by some to be part of the "far left".

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> the removal of existing power structures within the government that support left-wing causes.

Whoa, I thought DOGE was just trying to root out waste and corruption to save America from its deficit, but now you tell me it's to cement right wing loyalty in the deep state?!

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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What’s the appropriate number of employees for the federal government?

> What’s the appropriate number of employees for the federal government?

I don't think there is one fixed number. What is the point you are trying to make?

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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Bad result for America, as at least the two that I've been familiar with have both been dramatically better website implementations than much of the federal government.

GSA, Digital Analytics Program: https://analytics.usa.gov/

Huge amounts of data about how government websites are used including: locations (cities, countries), languages, referral sources, media sources, devices, browsers, OS, website destination, and top file accesses.

Treasury, Government Spending Explorer: https://www.usaspending.gov/explorer/budget_function

Really thorough breakdown of government spending from 2017 onward, with per month, per quarter, and year spending totals by budget function and agency. Divable categories so you can look at the $1,400,000,000,000 in National Defense spending, and actually find out a little about where it all goes to each year.

Edit: Here's their Github and 1200 repositories: https://github.com/orgs/18F/repositories

If I had enough money to hire them, I'd snap their employees up quickly.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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TIL that in America, if you work on a free tax filing system you are considered by some to be part of the "far left".

Meanwhile, the French DINUM (direction of digital inside the French government) and BetaGouv (kind of our 18F) organize their "Rules as code" event in 3 weeks.

Our tax filling is free for decades, but lots of things can be made better.

https://www.numerique.gouv.fr/agenda/rules-as-code-rencontre...

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TIL that in America, if you work on a free tax filing system you are considered by some to be part of the "far left".

In the US privatization is conservative, so anything that reduces private profiteering on mandatory activities is by definition “far left”.

That, but also the current system allows rich peoples' accountants to exercise an enormous amount of creativity when determining what their taxes should be, their imagination constrained only by the vague threat of possible audit from a gutted agency limited to limp-wristed punishments. Automation threatens this kleptocratic "freedom."

(The creativity has to do with asset games of fixed overhead that only amortizes on sizable fortunes. Poor people had better file their taxes correctly. If you work for a wage, you are poor for the purposes of this discussion.)

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Intuit and their lobbyists, because.. you guessed it! Money.

Rich people, because... you guessed it! Money. (Direct File doesn't directly affect them, but the push towards automated tax collection strikes at the heart of their games.)

> the push towards automated tax collection strikes at the heart of their games

I don't think that's even it. The goal is to make taxes seem scary and complicated to the public, to build a consensus that taxes should be eliminated or simplified - which inevitably plays out in ways which will largely, if not entirely, benefit the wealthy. And in this light, the reason the wealthy are opposed to Direct File is obvious: having it available reduces the pain that people (and particularly the working class) will feel from having to file taxes, making it harder to drum up popular support for "reform".

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