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FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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For people who get the flu? I thought that was just for mental health problems.

For any undesirables. It never ends with just the first outgroup.

Concentration camps for people with the flu?

Trump really did cause the left to lose their minds.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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The flu vaccines target specific strains that they expect to be common during flu season. In order to do this, the FDA collaborates with a bunch of different agencies and groups around the world to do collect data, track flu viruses etc. The sort of thing that a government agency is generally really good at doing and companies are generally really bad at. Normally it's around this time period that decisions around wh…

> manufacturers have no clue what to do. Sounds like bad news. But can the manufacturers meet among themselves to hash it out? Would they? And if they did, would they make a worse or different decision than if the FDA were involved? Just trying to see a way this could turn out ok.

I'm pretty sure manufacturers could, but that would increase their costs. The US did it for them for free.

So we're either going to get insanely expensive flu vaccines or none at all.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Well considering the FDA gave no information or plans to reschedule to committee members that seems unlikely. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/26/us/politics/fda-flu-vacci... > The F.D.A. sent an email to members of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee on Monday afternoon informing them of the cancellation, according to a senior official familiar with the decision. There was no reason given.…

> “So one can only assume” They are “assuming” a major unannounced policy change based on… a single meeting cancelation. By this cause/effect protocol, I have personally witnessed dozens of multi billion dollar project cancellations, or so I assume. RFK Jr has never proposed canning the vaccine program. He wants certain studies performed, which presumably would run in parallel with the existing program. The constant…

What studies is he proposing that have not been done many times before?

The articles are not hysterical and give good info, such as:

- vaccines take 6 months to make

- FDA spokesperson did not respond for comment

- its not the first meeting to be cancelled

- an earlier CDC quarterly meeting was postponed to accommodate "public comment"

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Its interesting to see so many conspiracy theories pop up on a more left-leaning site. The last 6-8 years has largely seen democrats deriding republicans (or MAGA specifically) for sharing unproven claims of a deep state, pedophile rings, etc. Now we're seeing a growing list of conspiracy theories related to what and why the Trump administration is up to. The theories may even be right in the end, that does happen. T…

It's not exactly a conspiracy when they're literally outright saying this is what they're doing. Like Elon Musk is out there regurgitating every single stupid reason you can think of for dismantling the government, you can spend like an hour trawling his feed and realize that all of these conspiracies are just things he's outright admitting.

> It’s a collusion to create chaos and dismantle the system that can track what they are doing. You think “flu vaccine”, they steal elsewhere. Today a vaccine, last week an email to justify jobs, earlier USAID, next week something else. It’s a distraction.

This is the comment I was replying to. I at least haven't seen any direct acknowledgements if this being the goal, and the comment or even refers to it as collusion with predictions of what comes next. That seems squarely in the conspiracy theory realm to me, in line with all the theories thrown around while Biden was in office or Hillary was running.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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I live in a very red state and mostly know Trump voters. I disagree with them on plenty of political topics (though that was true with Biden voters as well). I don't consider many of them hateful though, and they are helpful to neighbors. The last 2-8 years has felt very strange to me comparing what I experience day to day and how I often see our society more broadly described. I've lived in Seattle, Europe, and the…

It's very common for people who do or support terrible things to also be nice to their neighbors, or more generally to be nice to the people they can identify with and know on a personal level. They just don't see the people that they can't identify with as fully human and worthy of the same dignity.

This is not to say that your neighbors are evil people - I'm just saying that you can't just judge people by how they interact with people in their in-group.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Is there a strategy here, or is this all emotional. Or is the strategy like, we can reduce social security spending if more old people die of the flu? This isn't entirely cynical, I do assume there are some pragmatists who might think this way.

We simply now have a completely nuts anti-vax Secretary of Health. He probably actually thinks he's saving people from vaccine injury.

He was actually injured by the flu vaccine. That’s why his voice sounds the way it does

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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I live in a very red state and mostly know Trump voters. I disagree with them on plenty of political topics (though that was true with Biden voters as well). I don't consider many of them hateful though, and they are helpful to neighbors. The last 2-8 years has felt very strange to me comparing what I experience day to day and how I often see our society more broadly described. I've lived in Seattle, Europe, and the…

>With regards to MAGA specifically. I don't find most of the ideas I hear floated as more hateful than the overtone coming from the democratic side This is eyebrow-raising. I have no defense for any political party for all the un-subtle criticisms they inevitably put out, Democrats or otherwise. But to suggest that MAGA are, on par, less hateful than Democrats, begs expounding. In other words, you can certainly make…

I didn't get vaccinated for Covid after spending months reading whitepapers and listening to vaccine experts discuss the pandemic as it played out through 2020.

I experienced plenty of hate thrown my way for 2 or 3 years after that decision, including in speeches from the president.

I don't know how to quantify hatefulness, especially in a large group, well enough to absolutely compare the two. I do strongly stand behind the fact that plenty of hate was thrown towards anyone who disagreed with the narrative during the pandemic response though. More than MAGA? No clue, but a relative comparison doesn't make it better in absolute terms.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Is there a strategy here, or is this all emotional. Or is the strategy like, we can reduce social security spending if more old people die of the flu? This isn't entirely cynical, I do assume there are some pragmatists who might think this way.

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I hope there's a slightly different timeline where people with hopelessness or depression have a place in nature to pursue purpose, community, diet, exercise, and meaningful labour. I think we all know in our gut that this would be of incredible benefit to most of these people. And I hope the public in this world are horrified by the idea that anyone could instead pump them full of addictive or unknown drugs and leave them to fester in their obesity, drug dependency, poverty, loneliness, emptiness and misery.

Our current approach isn't working.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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We simply now have a completely nuts anti-vax Secretary of Health. He probably actually thinks he's saving people from vaccine injury.

He was actually injured by the flu vaccine. That’s why his voice sounds the way it does

I don't think this is true? He has a neurological disease called Spasmodic dysphonia.

I can't find anything about this being related to a flu vaccine.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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I hope there's a slightly different timeline where people with hopelessness or depression have a place in nature to pursue purpose, community, diet, exercise, and meaningful labour. I think we all know in our gut that this would be of incredible benefit to most of these people. And I hope the public in this world are horrified by the idea that anyone could instead pump them full of addictive or unknown drugs and leav…

Our current approach is to not fund adequately support our citizens and if you’re poor, good luck.

The public, thus far, is generally ok with this. They’d be even more okay shipping them to underfunded camps where they are even more out of sight out of mind.

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