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The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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I didn't get the impression that the article was a celebration of the man, it was more like a deep dive into the oddity of the whole thing.

I think you're assigning an agenda where there is none. The author isn't trying to glorify the guy. The story is an interesting story because the circumstances are so unusual.

I realize the scale of wealth skewed far upward from the typical working class person, but I will also point out that you don't really have to be very wealthy to afford to do nothing all day and buy meals at a hotel pool and not work. It sounds like the hotel was really just charging him money for his meals, it's not like he was staying overnight at the hotel.

That's not really Elon Musk territory, that's attainable via the 4% rule [1] if you've got single digits of million dollars saved up (in 2025 dollars).

Even less money is needed to live this kind of lifestyle if we are talking about low cost of living countries with beachy vibes like Thailand/Cambodia/Laos.

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/four-percent-rule.asp

Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eggs had a rough go of it in the 90s. There were studies where it seemed like even looking at an egg would cause your cholesterol to sky rocket and kill you.

One item on the rather long list of dietary advice/findings that have turned out to be wrong or overstated. Looking back at what we've been told would kill us, the older you get, the less you actually trust in the latest "findings". A local cabarettist had a 10 minute piece about this already 15 years ago. It seems, most dietary advice holds roughly 10 years, until someone else publishes another "study" and the press…

the misplaced comma was also a myth.

https://www5.in.tum.de/~huckle/Sutton_Spinach_Iron_and_Popey...

Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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(1993). The hotel reopened in 1996 but Irving never returned. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-05-19-ls-5806-s...

https://archive.ph/LmhBD

What a lovely article. A lot to learn from that old man. I quoted a few things, for the HN crowd (myself included) that often reads comments and seldom reads articles:

>He’s also a youthful, gentle man glowing sans peur et sans reproche while bringing a moment of grace, manners and style to largely impolite, undignified and profane times. That’s why people, even the known and confident, seek admission to his court, to be touched by politesse: Because he’s an escape, a salve that somehow, just for a moment, delivers us from what’s out there, which is harsh and threatening. Or as friend and New Yorker writer Adam Gopnik says: He is our perception of the ideal grandfather. Or how grandfather would be if he left grandmother home. “People . . . ask to meet Irving just so they can say they had at last met a man who has it all figured out,” says Gopnik, now living in Paris. He sees Link as a true California type as much as any snazzy actor or wealthy courtesan. “He puts me in mind of some great performance piece. Irving is his own creation.”

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>Yet Link’s daily ritual hasn’t gone away. He walks two miles from home each morning to the hotel, for granola, bananas and berries over The Times and the trades. One cup of decaf. Then onto Wilshire and Camden and Little Joe’s barbershop, where little Giuseppe Bausoue (“I make house calls to Frank Sinatra”) coiffures, blow-dries and sprays Link’s pearl-white hair into a stiff sculpture. Max, chauffeuring the hotel’s black Rolls-Royce, has Link back at the Peninsula around 9:30 a.m. Upstairs to the spa, into a terry robe and slippers, and out to a cabana for the first of dozens of incoming and outgoing phone calls. Maybe a turkey sandwich lunch alongside the pool where tans are oiled umber, cellular phones tinkle incessantly, and nobody swims. Usually there’s gin rummy twice a week, Fridays and Sunday, for 5 cents a point. Sometimes dinner at Drai’s. But always the framework of a permanent schedule. “Call me a creature of habit,” suggests Link. He doesn’t drive, doesn’t move far from the Peninsula, doesn’t shock his system with unfamiliar experiences, doesn’t get close to people who converse in negatives. “That creates stress, which is the root of bad health. A routine means I don’t worry about what I have to do this afternoon, or should be doing later in the week, or must get done by next month. “That way, I hope to live to 100.”

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>“Everything went,” Link says. “I sold our home and our properties and moved into an apartment in Santa Monica.” But he did have the support of a wife and his children. “They knew that in both cases I had done the right thing,” he says. “So I really couldn’t have cared less what other people thought. I didn’t mind eating at McDonald’s.” He picked up new work as a $15,000-a-year public relations spokesman for National Distributing Co., his brother-in-law’s liquor business. At 64, for the first time in his adult life, Link was working for someone else; a hired hand, a salaried employee. “That was the saddest point of my life,” he says. “What I really cared about was what I had done to myself and my reputation and my self-respect. I could find excuses. I could come up with explanations. But deep down I knew. I blamed myself.”

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>Believe part of that. Friends suggest that engineering something for nothing today is a smart way of setting up deals for tomorrow. It has to do with quid pro quo, creating allegiances, issuing markers. Link is aware of his gift: “You approach this business the way you approach life. Positively. With a sense of fun, with humor, and with a certain amount of mental creativity. “But if you aren’t sincere and are involving yourself with perceptive people who know facts from bull----, then you’ve created a negative. Then your deal’s off.”

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>Link gets a 10-minute coif, stiff enough to last until July.

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>“You have the impression that [Link] irons his socks and gets dressed in the middle of the night just to go to the bathroom,” Davis says. “I think he truly believes in the saying that anybody will be in good spirits and good temper if they’re well dressed.”

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>“I miss the past to a degree,” he muses. He’s drinking Evian at lunch and saving his one Chardonnay for dinner. “But I’ve adjusted to what exists now. I’ve learned to prefer the day I’m living in. If you don’t grow with the times, you grow old with the past.”

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>Link has tallied his life. Its rewards are “family and friends who have supported me, loved me, cared for me.” The price has been no higher than “always giving a little more than you get.”

Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're earnestly wondering if there might have been discrimination of some kind at one of the most legendary Los Angeles celebrity institutions between between the 1950s and the 1990s?

i'm wondering how it works - does security simply kicks you out ? And i think today similar places are also not filled with poor people, and not for their lack of interest i'd guess.

I suspect there are two or three layers of discrimination.

There's probably a bit less overt racial discrimination now than there may have been in, say, the 50s, though what's left sets you up for the next two layers.

You're going to have be judged (by hotel security) as "the right sort of person". This is clearly open to all sorts of discrimination (race, age, gender, social class, genetics and more), but I suspect that if you don't actively violate someone's mental model of what they want their poolside to look like, you might be OK.

On top of that, you'll need to be able to spend money. This is not a coffee shop where a single americano gets you a seat for the day. If you're not regularly ordering drinks and food, I imagine that hotel security is going to ask you to move on after not that long.

Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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(1993). The hotel reopened in 1996 but Irving never returned. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-05-19-ls-5806-s...

https://archive.ph/LmhBD What a lovely article. A lot to learn from that old man. I quoted a few things, for the HN crowd (myself included) that often reads comments and seldom reads articles: >He’s also a youthful, gentle man glowing sans peur et sans reproche while bringing a moment of grace, manners and style to largely impolite, undignified and profane times. That’s why people, even the known and confident, seek…

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Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eggs had a rough go of it in the 90s. There were studies where it seemed like even looking at an egg would cause your cholesterol to sky rocket and kill you.

One item on the rather long list of dietary advice/findings that have turned out to be wrong or overstated. Looking back at what we've been told would kill us, the older you get, the less you actually trust in the latest "findings". A local cabarettist had a 10 minute piece about this already 15 years ago. It seems, most dietary advice holds roughly 10 years, until someone else publishes another "study" and the press…

> Looking back at what we've been told would kill us, the older you get, the less you actually trust in the latest "findings".

This is where I am for sure. I don't trust any trends as to what people figure will kill you any more, because they're almost always wrong in the end. In 20 years if it turns out to not be recanted, then I'll pay attention I guess.

Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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He made it to 101 https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/latimes/name/irving-lin...

Sad, but not surprising given his age, that his son predeceased him by about a year.

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/pressdemocrat/name/rand...

Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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> Often he and the hostess, Bernice Philbin, would be the first two people there, and they would have a polite conversation before Irving took his place in his booth—the first half circle to your left as you came in—and ordered breakfast: scrambled eggs back in the days when people ate eggs, and, more recently, banana and granola with skim milk. TIL that my last 30+ years of egg eating has been a faux pas.

The article is from 1993. If you are old enough to remember that time, it was indeed when official nutritionist advice was a complete failure. Eggs were advised against because it was thought their high cholesterol levels raised blood cholesterol, which is false for most people who consume a moderate amount of eggs. This is the time during which fat was demonized (anyone remember SnackWell's???), the "foot pyramid" w…

Funnily enough this was also going on…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Ag...

Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of the HN readership was not even born then....?

Probably a decent number. I first heard of HN around 2010 when I was in university. I assume that plenty of university students find their way to HN still. And that many of them will have been born around the mid-2000’s. I only barely make the cut myself to having been born a few years before 1993.

Can confirm. Recent graduate who found HN during my second year at university.

Re: The man who spent forty-two years at the Beverly Hills Hotel pool (1993)

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>scrambled eggs back in the days when people ate eggs do people not eat eggs anymore?

Have you seen the egg prices lately...? ;-)

I am curious how much they are in your country? In Poland one egg costs about $0.30
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