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Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

starspangled wrote: post #56
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intolerant groups are a special problem for societies that wish to be tolerant. A tolerant society must be specifically intolerant of the intolerant to keep being a tolerant society. It's a required bit of looking within to maintain a tolerant society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

I wasn't commentating on the rationale behind the thinking or whether it is right or not, just that the idea of the internal enemy is not owned by any one political persuasion. Though I'm sure right-wing groups believe themselves to be tolerant of one-another and their allies and others with similar aims, and that groups that oppose them are intolerant and therefore must be met with intolerance. The paradox of the pa…

Nah. The side that actively spouts racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and anti-trans positions is pretty clearly the intolerant one.

This is not hard to see unless one is being willfully blind. Which is especially funny given this conversation is happening in response to giving Grok an intentional blind spot.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by starspangled »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #61
starspangled wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't commentating on the rationale behind the thinking or whether it is right or not, just that the idea of the internal enemy is not owned by any one political persuasion. Though I'm sure right-wing groups believe themselves to be tolerant of one-another and their allies and others with similar aims, and that groups that oppose them are intolerant and therefore must be met with intolerance. The paradox of the pa…

Nah. The side that actively spouts racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and anti-trans positions is pretty clearly the intolerant one. This is not hard to see unless one is being willfully blind. Which is especially funny given this conversation is happening in response to giving Grok an intentional blind spot.

Other side will call them intolerant racists too, it is also pretty clear to them.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

starspangled wrote: post #62
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. The side that actively spouts racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and anti-trans positions is pretty clearly the intolerant one. This is not hard to see unless one is being willfully blind. Which is especially funny given this conversation is happening in response to giving Grok an intentional blind spot.

Other side will call them intolerant racists too, it is also pretty clear to them.

Congrats, you've bought into the fascist's messaging.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by starspangled »

orwin wrote: post #60
starspangled wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a typical mythos of most political movements these days, doesn't it? E.g., "the far-right is our greatest threat". And it's said that e.g., Russia themselves is no great threat, they're basically an incompetent tinpot dictatorship with a ramshackle military easily beaten by us / our allies. It is the traitors within who "collude with Putin" who are the real problem.

It's not though. The mythos of the liberals is way more personnalized, usually assigning moral failings to people who disagree eith them, something like "those people are dumb enough to be manipulated, we ought to explain thing slower/better" "we are on the reason's side". The fondamental attribution error is probably the fallacy for which liberals (authoritarians liberals especially) are the most susceptible to. For…

Those sound like enemies within, but what do I know? Liberals / leftists / whatever have non-personal internal enemies (white supremacists, ultra right wing, nationalists, etc), and right wing have external enemies as well as entirely personal internal enemies too. Right wing certainly talks about moral failings.

Seems really difficult to quantify to the extent you can just say they don't. We can all come up with examples or handwaved anecdotes of any kind of enemy from any ideology really, so what actual metrics are you using to differentiate these things?

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by starspangled »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #63
starspangled wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other side will call them intolerant racists too, it is also pretty clear to them.

Congrats, you've bought into the fascist's messaging.

No I haven't.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

starspangled wrote: post #65
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congrats, you've bought into the fascist's messaging.

No I haven't.

https://graphics.social/@metin/113865450624948092

https://archive.is/g6ElI

The intolerance of others is a core part of the fascist playbook.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by starspangled »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #66
starspangled wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I haven't.

https://graphics.social/@metin/113865450624948092 https://archive.is/g6ElI The intolerance of others is a core part of the fascist playbook.

I didn't say it wasn't.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by IAmGraydon »

_fs wrote: post #40
sirolimus wrote: post #38

Why was this flagged?

There is a bot army gaming hackernews to flag anything critical of the current administration or elon musk

You guys really need to get a grip with the conspiracy theories. It's possible that people don't want the political content on here because it will destroy what this place is all about - civil, intelligent discourse. Polarizing topics tend to uproot that. I was one of the people who would flag any and all political content up until recently, when I started to see how out of control this administration is getting. A lot of people don't feel that way though, and none of us are bots.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

starspangled wrote: post #67
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://graphics.social/@metin/113865450624948092 https://archive.is/g6ElI The intolerance of others is a core part of the fascist playbook.

I didn't say it wasn't.

Creating a false equivalency between intolerance of the intolerant and intolerance of others / other groups is a key rhetorical device for fascists.

Even if you've walked to this position through "logic" and a concept of perfectly spherical human beings [0], with no steps through fascism, you should be aware of how this position is used by fascists to give themselves a veneer of rationality while painting their opponents as irrational.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow

To put it another way: https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/578682-adolf-hitler

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by IAmGraydon »

Guys - just a little critical thinking here - how do we know these are not fake? They're screenshots. Why didn't they just link to the Grok conversation if it's real? Trying this on Grok doesn't produce the same results, and it's easy to get it to talk bad about both Trump and Elon. It's very important right now that you step back and look for empirical evidence of what you're being lead to believe before you swallow it and make it part of your worldview. Know that you are biased to believe things that agree with your preexisting worldview, and that can be very easily taken advantage of. If you can't verify something, you need to throw it out.
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