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US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

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Re: US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

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My understanding is it’s on an offset elliptical orbit. This is essentially the farthest point away from earth with the other end of orbit being very close to Earth. From a tactical perspective, that means this can interact with basically any other satellite.

Interact as in fly-by repair? Or interact as in interfere/tamper/destroy?

Looks like it would be able to deploy high speed instant-action repair kits.

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Why might it be desirable to have an observation craft so far away from the earth? I'm having a hard time imagining the advantage compared to being a bit closer, unless it's a more energy-efficient parking situation while the vehicle isn't in active use.

"Why might it be desirable to have an observation craft so far away from the earth?" more range the merrier in case there is alien invasion. you would need aircraft that allow travel interplanetary system

I think he was asking for real tangible uses.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is it’s on an offset elliptical orbit. This is essentially the farthest point away from earth with the other end of orbit being very close to Earth. From a tactical perspective, that means this can interact with basically any other satellite.

Interact as in fly-by repair? Or interact as in interfere/tamper/destroy?

Yes, also steal ala Glomar Explorer

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With a far point so far away from Earth it also means that it requires only tiny amounts of fuel for major orbit changes.

My orbital mechanics is (like most people) weak, is this intended as a generalized physical threat to other satellites?

Not necessarily.

These types of orbits also have the property that the perceived loiter time is different for the perigee and apogee.

At perigee (closest to Earth) it will be moving very fast and so any changes to velocity will have a large impact (easily change orbit).

While at apogee it will appear to sit in space and move quite slowly. As an example this is used for the Russian GPS system so their satellites can sit in high earth latitudes for longer needing fewer satellites to cover Russia.

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Why might it be desirable to have an observation craft so far away from the earth?" more range the merrier in case there is alien invasion. you would need aircraft that allow travel interplanetary system

I think he was asking for real tangible uses.

lets start with hit russia soil

Re: US Space Force reveals first look at secretive X-37B space plane in orbit

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Why might it be desirable to have an observation craft so far away from the earth? I'm having a hard time imagining the advantage compared to being a bit closer, unless it's a more energy-efficient parking situation while the vehicle isn't in active use.

Possibly easier for optics?

Lower orbit = faster velocity.

So your screaming by over Emutopia's enrichment plant, and trying to take photos.

Telephotography might be an easier solve than faster image capture for the same resolution and clarity. A higher orbit means you have to do less drastic tracking corrections to observe the same area while over it.

Alternative: it's a space plane and has been mentioned it uses aero braking for orbital adjustments. A highly elliptical orbit imparts a significant chunk of potential energy that can be expended for orbital changes using aero braking instead of needing to expend limited propellent.

Source: personal experience with several hundred hours of KSP.

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As well as change orbital characteristics (apogee, perigee, inclination) at reasonably low cost, enabling closer observation of specific portions of Earth, or of objects in space. Burns at closest approach (perigee) have the largest influence on total orbital characteristics. Burns at furthest approach (apogee) can raise the entire orbit if desired. (Or so I understand.)

Burns at perigee have best efficiency to make in-plane changes (raise or lower orbit) due to the Oberth effect. Burns at apogee have best efficiency for out-of-plane maneuvers (change orbital inclination plane) due to lowest velocity of the spacecraft. Highly elliptical orbits can do both at a few hours' notice.

Burns at perigee can only raise or lower part of the orbit though, right? A burn at perigee lowers or raises the apogee. To lower or raise the perigee, you need to burn at apogee.

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Given the military heritage of the Space Shuttle, I imagine this is what a hypothetical next generation civilian Space Shuttle might have looked like, too.

Are there any books to read that talk about the military missions of the Space Shuttle?

Most missions are still classified but some information on general shuttle sources, into the black book and space above us podcast are interesting sources.

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How does it have enough Delta-V to get into that distant of an orbit? Is it able to maneuver to different orbits and inclination? Is it able to return to earth? Or, is it more of a satellite than a “plane”? This is my first time learning about this space plane, so apologies if my questions are naive.

This flight was launched with a Falcon Heavy, that is why it has more energy to reach high orbit than the previous launches with an Atlas V booster. When you are in a highly eccentric orbit (meaning the point in the orbit farthest from Earth (apogee) is much higher than the lowest point (perigee)) like this one there are several maneuvers you can do to significantly change your orbit with relatively little energy. Th…

Thanks for the great response! It's been a while since I played KSP, and I completely forgot about the apoapsis maneuvers :-)

As an aside, it's sad about KSP2. We need a good, open-source space simulator in the spirit of KSP, which has incredible enthusiasm in the modding community.

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How does it have enough Delta-V to get into that distant of an orbit? Is it able to maneuver to different orbits and inclination? Is it able to return to earth? Or, is it more of a satellite than a “plane”? This is my first time learning about this space plane, so apologies if my questions are naive.

It has been to space several times, and there are photos and videos of it returning, shuttle-style on a runway. By carefully timing boosting burns at different points in the orbit, you can change the orbit to become highly inclined - go prograde at the periapsis, and your raise the apogee. From the image, I guess they are in a Molniar orbit [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_orbit

Wow, thanks for sharing! I've never heard of Molniya orbit. Very interesting indeed.
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