Where is it? Where is code, a model, a repo? If one of our startups in this community put out a press release like this saying they have plans they’d be laughed off HN. Why isn’t the EU held to the same standard?
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Re: OpenEuroLLM
#62I don't fully understand the reactions in the comments.
It's an announcement of a project that is starting soon-ish, mostly aimed at recruiting students and getting European talent excited, why would you expect them to deliver a model upon announcing the project?
Did you expect OpenAI to release GPT in the press release that announced its creation as a company? Bullshit Silicon Valley startups do big press releases based on literally nothing all the time, but all of a sudden this is an issue if an academic European institution does it?
I hope the post is being bot-raided because otherwise I'll have to accept that the quality of thought on HN has gone down. I get the typical biased US-elitism that is pervasive on this website, but these reactions are just plain dumb.
Re: OpenEuroLLM
#63I wish EU programmer wages could be higher via lower taxes instead of funding things like this
Safety and no School shootings, Universal Health Care, Worker Rights, almost free Universities. The USA in the 23th century...
i see this kind of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism a lot. i think that you can imitate good things about US innovation without having lots of school shootings.
Re: OpenEuroLLM
#64As a European, I hope this is successful but it kinda smells right now. Also, I imagine whatever model they create will be the most censored.
Re: OpenEuroLLM
#65Re: OpenEuroLLM
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, but collaboration comes with a cost too. As a European myself, I would prefer them to put less emphasis on collaboration and more on actually doing something's with the resources available to them and making that freely available. Collaboration will happen naturally and without having to coordinate. But as they said, this is less about producing value then it's about signaling
So CERN and similar? you think it could have been done without any coordonation? Like 2 guys faking under they make it USA style ?
They mistake transparency for performativity, and secrecy for practicality
Re: OpenEuroLLM
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is classic EU. An announcement of an effort to collect collaborators to discuss doing something that they might do in the future.
>This is classic EU. An announcement of an effort to collect collaborators to discuss doing something that they might do in the future. It should be done in secret? How did they manage to create CERN? maybe there was no reddit like people commenting back then?
It’s like telling someone you’re planning on starting a diet and getting congratulated.
Re: OpenEuroLLM
#68The three goals featured prominently above the fold are: > truly open > including data, documentation, training and testing code, and evaluation metrics; including community involvement > compliant > under EU regulations, OpenEuroLLM will provide a series of transparent and performant LLMs > diverse > for European languages and other socially and economically interesting ones, preserving linguistic and cultural diver…
That note about EU regulations may also be dangerous. There is an increasing trend of European leaders supporting censorship of speech, on weak justifications like misinformation that are applied very aggressively. There are even videos of police showing up at people’s homes in some countries, over tweets they made. I don’t have faith that these European LLMs will be trustworthy as a result.
Laws against defamation and fraud aren't exactly a new trend, nor are they limited to Europe.
I guess some people are surprised police might get involved in a defamation case because in the US it's not a crime but a civil wrong? Which means you can't get help from the police to identify the person who made a defamatory tweet? Or something?
Re: OpenEuroLLM
#69It is worth noting there is _another_, completely unrelated project (also) called *EuroLLM* that is also EU funded which not only shares many of the same goals, but has already fulfilled many of them:
1. large multilingual dataset
2. open science approach
3. competitive performance
Here is the HF blogpost that introduced it in December 2024 (along with various benchmarks): https://huggingface.co/blog/eurollm-team/eurollm-9b
The project's lead has summarized the situation succinctly in their LinkedIn post [0]
I hope the different communities collaborate openly, share their expertise, and don't decide to reinvent the wheel every time a new project gets funded. Next what? "OpenEuroLLM with real cheese"?
Re: OpenEuroLLM
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, but collaboration comes with a cost too. As a European myself, I would prefer them to put less emphasis on collaboration and more on actually doing something's with the resources available to them and making that freely available. Collaboration will happen naturally and without having to coordinate. But as they said, this is less about producing value then it's about signaling
So CERN and similar? you think it could have been done without any coordonation? Like 2 guys faking under they make it USA style ?
Well, what actual value did cern produce beyond theoretical research with no application in sight?