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Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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Re: Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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Thanks! that blog post had a thread here: Trust, 2-Party Relays, and QUIC - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43016574 - Feb 2025 (33 comments)

That blog needs some inline padding for mobile view.

(Carl from Obscura here)

You’re absolutely right, we fixed it and forgot to push to prod XP

Re: Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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The sole meaningful VPN is the one you host yourself to connect personal stuff around the world in a sole network. For privacy I2P etc performances are not enough for normal use, the rest is mere noise. That's IMVHO the substance, not counting the fact that even a secure channel is meaningless if you run proprietary crapware at their end.

You ever tried browsing the web on a data center IP? It doesn’t work very well.

Re: Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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Wanna know about something cool? Tor i offers real untraceable anonymity and is 100% free.

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This comment is wrong and not funny.

1) you didn't read path selection constraints: https://spec.torproject.org/path-spec/path-selection-constra...

>We do not choose more than one router in a given network range, which defaults to /16 for IPv4 and /32 for IPv6. (C Tor overrides this with EnforceDistinctSubnets; Arti overrides this with ipv[46]_subnet_family_prefix.)

2) There is currently no exit-node hosted at Hetzner. Check the Tor atlas

Re: Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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That blog needs some inline padding for mobile view.

It's insane to me that this even has to be pointed out with such a relatively simple page, and then I looked at the source; it screams "I'm gonna just bang something out in [popular framework] without knowing basic HTML/CSS and let the world suffer from my rot." I hate modern web development.

I agree. Its not that difficult to just have a max-width of 90% for the content or just add some padding to the inner container.

I also think people skipping over learning some basic CSS fundamentals also end up skipping over basic UI/UX needed for accessible websites, something every web developer should have some awareness about.

Complete reliance on CSS frameworks does not magically make the websites accessible,it gets you 90% there.

Also /blog leads of 403!? Wildcard redirects are not that difficult to setup either.

Re: Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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> Mullvad is near the cutting edge on zero trust deployments What is "zero trust deployments"?

Meaning they're achieving their privacy goals without any inherent trust in their systems (eg no databases of user info, etc)

> no databases of user info

Depends on the payment method. Accounting is mandatory in Sweden.

  As a customer of [payment] services, these entities would allow us to request this information if we chose to do so. In short, your payment actions with these two methods are not anonymous and the GDPR and other relevant data protection regulations may apply if you are making a payment by credit card, PayPal, Swish or by bank wire.

  The data must be kept for the statutory retention period described in applicable local laws such as the Swedish Accounting Act (some information must be stored for seven years from the end of the fiscal year).
That "some information" according to Swedish Accounting Act (bokföringslagen): "Every transaction, including customer payments, must be supported by proper documentation such as invoices, receipts, and payment confirmations."

https://mullvad.net/en/help/no-logging-data-policy / https://archive.vn/qkvD3

Re: Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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That blog needs some inline padding for mobile view.

(Carl from Obscura here) You’re absolutely right, we fixed it and forgot to push to prod XP

Hey Carl, good to know is already fixed! While you are at it, please setup wildcard redirects too. Instinctively, I went to /blog assuming it would be a blog page but it isn't.

Re: Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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Nice. I like the idea of splitting trust so that the clients IP + browsing data are not linked unless the two servers collude. This feels very similar in spirit to VPN cascading though?

(Carl from Obscura here)

Woah I didn’t know about the specific term “VPN cascading”… And it seems like my GLiNet travel router can do it too?

Well in any case, it seems like with cascading you’d have to register with 2 different providers, offering your personal info (if necessary) to both.

Re: Obscura VPN – Privacy that's more than a promise

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I'm not clear on the technical details here.

> Obscura’s servers relay your connection to exit servers but can never decrypt your traffic.

Doesn't that rely on us trusting that the server runs the code they claim it does? Or is there a way to prove that their server can't get the decryption key (i.e. by proving that it's not possible for them to switch the final hop, or add undisclosed hops in between)?

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