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Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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For about the same price ($13), I'm happy with this logic analyzer I bought through amazon[1] a month ago. I spent more on probes[2] ($24) than I did the analyzer. ;-)

To power it, I'm using SigRock/Pulseview[3], which sees it as a compatible clone. It's wild to be able to see signals a few tens of nanoseconds wide so cheaply.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077LSG5P2

[2] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CLB63GL3

[3] https://sigrok.org/wiki/PulseView

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new Rigol DHO800 series are fabulous bargains for the money, and extremely well designed in a lot of ways: - 12 bit ADC frontends - Actually usable touchscreen inputs - Super simple to drive remotely over a network connection (though getting the IP address with just the touchscreen is a little tricky) - USB-C power input - you can run it from a battery pack if you like! - All the essential decoders built in for f…

These start from 450 euros.

Well worth the money if you work with electronics with any kind of regularity.

Maybe a bit pricy for the hobbyist.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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This is crazy. The ones we used in the Navy were heavy and delicate. Now it fits into the palm of our hand. Just incredible how far things have come.

We’ve had cheap, tiny USB oscilloscope and logic analyzers for well over a decade. They’re all over Amazon and Aliexpress.

The cool thing about this one is that it’s open source and well documented.

There are a lot of downsides: The front end has poor input protection and the entire unit is much less resilient, calibrated, and trustworthy than what you’d use in the Navy.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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This is crazy. The ones we used in the Navy were heavy and delicate. Now it fits into the palm of our hand. Just incredible how far things have come.

Have you tried using a NanoVNA? Those things are amazing. For Oh, and RTLsdr dongles are fantastic deals too, when coupled with the GNU Radio project.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

> very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 This is a very strong first world POV. Those U$D 300 rank pretty high across world's minimum salaries [1], not to mention that prices can very likely double in countries like my own. Moreover, a large % of people that can really get a very good use of this (Kids in high school) usually have a lot less…

So starting with nothing at all, what is the total cost of ownership for the flea -cope? My guess, its over $300, (if $300 is your annual salary, your existing phone will probably not cut it). And for comparison, standalone toy oscilloscopes (The problem is, with a toy scope, you aren't really gonna know if what you're measuring is real. This might be useful as a kit to build to learn how to program microcontrollers, or measure audio signals (the $11 one, or the mic on your phone can do this), but a bad scope will generally cause more problems for the hobbyist. When you get near the limit of a scope's bandwidth, the signals get really messy and full of artifacts. Arduinos run at 8-16Mhz, so you're gonna hit a wall really quickly and once you can't rely on the output, the investment will be lost.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

> very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 This is a very strong first world POV. Those U$D 300 rank pretty high across world's minimum salaries [1], not to mention that prices can very likely double in countries like my own. Moreover, a large % of people that can really get a very good use of this (Kids in high school) usually have a lot less…

The future has been here for a while but remains unevenly distributed.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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For about the same price ($13), I'm happy with this logic analyzer I bought through amazon[1] a month ago. I spent more on probes[2] ($24) than I did the analyzer. ;-) To power it, I'm using SigRock/Pulseview[3], which sees it as a compatible clone. It's wild to be able to see signals a few tens of nanoseconds wide so cheaply. [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077LSG5P2 [2] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CLB63GL3 [3] https…

Yeah, those are awesome. I found that a great use was to profile microcontroller code. Setting various GPIO pins high / low around critical sections of code. Then you can see the results in SigRock.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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post #42

I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

> very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 This is a very strong first world POV. Those U$D 300 rank pretty high across world's minimum salaries [1], not to mention that prices can very likely double in countries like my own. Moreover, a large % of people that can really get a very good use of this (Kids in high school) usually have a lot less…

That's a very fair point, but it's also fair to discuss things with a 'first world' point of view. The same way it can be humourous or eye-opening to point out something's a 'first world problem', but if that's where you live then that is a problem, that is something you're looking to address.

We're all looking to do the best we can from different baselines.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

The new Rigol DHO800 series are fabulous bargains for the money, and extremely well designed in a lot of ways: - 12 bit ADC frontends - Actually usable touchscreen inputs - Super simple to drive remotely over a network connection (though getting the IP address with just the touchscreen is a little tricky) - USB-C power input - you can run it from a battery pack if you like! - All the essential decoders built in for f…

I got one recently, and it's been a pleasure to use. My only regret is not getting the 4 channel version, though I've only needed 2 channels so far. But at my workplace, I've found that an extra channel is the thing that helps me solve a problem, more frequently than higher performance does.

I'm an old timer so I'm familiar with the traditional scope front panel, but have come to like the touch screen for changing settings.

Perhaps my only gripe is how long it takes to boot.

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