I run a christmas channel with legit music (almost 3 mil subs) and the entire music scene on YouTube is run by bot networks out of vietnam with YouTube’s knowledge
Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube
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Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube
#62Someone once said it better than I ever could: it doesn’t matter how good it is, I don’t want art without anybody’s consciousness behind it.
Here is where you are wrong. The AI art is built on even more "art consciousness" than any one of us has ever seen. It's a mirror reflection of our own culture, and we should respect it as such.
But you say there is no one there, just a model? No, there is someone. There is a real flesh and blood human prompting the model. It's the result of many iteration cycles. At the very least it has some meaning for the prompter.
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#63The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'
I've favorited this comment because it could easily pass for satire of certain types of comments on HN.
Too Poe For Poe (“synthetic racism” is unreal!)
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the future "AI Music" will just be called "Music". Just like electronic music. Or digital photos. Or digital illustration. AI film isn't great right now, but people are still finding their legs: https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_l... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc I find this medium is one of the best to showcase what people _can_ do with AI, because it requires manual integra…
"AI" art is 99.9% of the time ephemeral art, see it once and throw it away. Who's got the time to see my AI art shit when they could be generating their own? It's more of a personal exploration tool, closer to imagination than to publishing.
Most digital photos are garbage, too. It doesn't discount the medium or the technology.
Perhaps you're not a part of the growing community that spends entire weekends making a singular "AI" art pieces. It's a growing creative medium, and the things being created can't simply be "prompted".
You might generate a photo of a consistent character, pose them using DwPose / 3D IK, extract them, comp them into another scene. Do the same for two other characters and a prop. Then use that composition as a single shot from a shot list for your AI film. Animate it, then rinse and repeat for a few hundred shots. After the shot list is complete, record the lines, capture facial performances, fix the errors, fix lighting, upscale, and publish. Easily a week of work for one person.
AI can be used in workflows by actual artists. It's a tool.
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#65In ten years this will be as quaint as a blocklist for music that uses samplers would have been in 1980. Not to say there’s no value today; most pure AI music is terrible and I don’t want to listen to it. But that’s a very temporary state of affairs.
This isn't even really about the merits of AI music as a whole, it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO-optimized content slurry. I picked out a few random channels from this blocklist and some of them are posting new 2-3 hour compilations eve…
> They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO optimized content slurry.
This sad situation was caused by internet. It made it possible for us to have unlimited art, writing and video to "consume" so any new work has to compete with a backcatalog spanning decades. This makes royalty revenues tank, so creatives moved to ad based revenue. This caused the attention scarcity situation where we are right now, and enshittification is the outcome. It all started long ago when AI wasn't even a blip.
But fortunately AI can clean up web content, so I hope we can distill the good parts and get high quality back. But I don't expect Google or Meta or X to do it for us. We need to power this revolution with local models.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
You may get most of that by prompting. You can create really based or emotional characters even with “aligned” models (with a little realignment). Have you ever talked to an LLM that allows system prompting? Heard of [E]RP? You can even teach them to not produce idiotic bullet points. I won’t argument on the art part, but these common AI stereotypes are not true.
The AI does not possess those attributes. It’s behaving as told. It has no experience. It has no senses. It has no thoughts or ability to reason. It has no motivation.
It’s not even told, it continues a text (or denoises an image) in a way that closely resembles what was in the training data. Experience, senses, thoughts, reasoning and motivation were all there in original human- and nature-produced data. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003186
Doesn’t mean the result is ideal, far from that. But your “bullet points” imply some specialness which has to be explained. Personally I don’t love the style of refusal you’re demonstrating, because it’s similar to if you know you know and other self-referential nonsense. At least add some becauses into your arguments, because “it has no X” is a simplification far below the level of usefulness here.
Anyway, how does that prevent creating AI personas again?
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
When doing an image search there are times you specifically don't want AI images, ever, period. If I search the name of a real artist I want to see their their works, not a diffusion models half-remembered knock-off of their style. If I'm looking for reference photos then I want reference photos, not synthesized images which resemble photos but may or may not reflect reality. If I'm looking for historical photos then…
This is a temporary problem that the market will solve for. Either the search companies will fix their algorithms, or curated websites and platforms will arise. One way or another, this bug will be fixed in time.
> The statistical likelihood is that other civilisations will arise. There will one day be lemon-soaked paper napkins.
> ‘Till then, there will be a short delay. Please return to your seats.
Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
"AI" art is 99.9% of the time ephemeral art, see it once and throw it away. Who's got the time to see my AI art shit when they could be generating their own? It's more of a personal exploration tool, closer to imagination than to publishing.
Most digital photos are garbage, too. It doesn't discount the medium or the technology. Perhaps you're not a part of the growing community that spends entire weekends making a singular "AI" art pieces. It's a growing creative medium, and the things being created can't simply be "prompted". You might generate a photo of a consistent character, pose them using DwPose / 3D IK, extract them, comp them into another scene.…
Unfortunately it is a tool that is also used to generate a lot of content for the sake of views capture. For this to work it needs to be created with lowest effort possible. As a result the bulk of AI stuff I have seen so far was not worth my time to consume it or the hardware cycles to generate it.
Re: Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube
#69Instead of "AI Music", writer should have just created a blocklist for music that sucks.
I wish literally any mainstream music discovery service (my sample size: youtube and Spotify) would let you block specific artists and genres from discover queue and searches.
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#70In ten years this will be as quaint as a blocklist for music that uses samplers would have been in 1980. Not to say there’s no value today; most pure AI music is terrible and I don’t want to listen to it. But that’s a very temporary state of affairs.
This isn't even really about the merits of AI music as a whole, it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO-optimized content slurry. I picked out a few random channels from this blocklist and some of them are posting new 2-3 hour compilations eve…
>it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue
Honestly, you could say the same about Marvel movies made by humans.