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The Impact of Generative AI on Critical Thinking [pdf]

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Knowing which direction you are facing is an obsolete skill? I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. You’ve been watching too many Ted talks or something

What do you do with that knowledge? I mean, it's a good skill if you're actually going to apply it to something. Knowing you're facing north is great if there's some use you get out out that. Finding your way around is way more work than just "north is that way". I remember the first time I traveled internationally. Incredible stress. I had a bunch of printouts with all the details. Still, I depended completely on th…

> Sure I had a bunch of info, but one wrong decision and my static stack of papers might not be enough to get me out of it.

If you knew how to read a map it would have been.

I can't imagine being so dependent on a phone which can be accidentally dropped, misplaced, or simply run out of battery charge that I would be lost without it.

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I want them to do the same study with managers. And maybe executives. Does relying on employees kill the same critical thinking skills? Or is this a skill that has to be cultivated like every other skill?

From my experience it does. A lot of VPs and higher have no direct experience with the things they are responsible for so can be easily manipulated by smooth talkers. I just attended a strategy meeting where a lot of higher ranks asked questions that clearly showed they have no idea.

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It really has been a sight watching the loudest anti-AI people flog this around, then turn to rage when you clarify the range of the actual conclusion. Generative AI got a lot more useful when I started seeing it abstractly. I put data in, it finds correlations in its neural network, and produces different data. I have to be intentional in interpreting that data to figure out what to do with it. Once I started thinki…

Can you offer a few examples of the kinds of work/projects/tasks you've used ai for?

Guish, a bi-directional CLI/GUI for constructing and executing Unix pipelines: https://github.com/williamcotton/guish

WebDSL, fast C-based pipeline-driven DSL for building web apps with SQL, Lua and jq: https://github.com/williamcotton/webdsl

Search Input Query, a search input query parser and React component: https://github.com/williamcotton/search-input-query

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I think this study does not say what most people are taking it to say. > our research questions - when and how knowledge workers perceive the enaction of critical thinking when using GenAI (RQ1), and when and why do knowledge workers perceive increased/decreased effort for critical thinking due to GenAI (RQ2) This is about the application of critical thinking to AI outputs and in AI workflows. Are people cognitively…

On your last point I tend to think it will. Tools replaced our ancestor's ability to make things by hand. Transportation / elevators reduced the average fitness level to walk long distances or climb stairs. Pocket calculators made the general population less able to do complex math. Spelling/grammar checks have reduced knowing how to spell or form complete proper sentences. Keyboards and email are making handwriting a passing skill. Video is reducing our need / desire to read or absorb long form content.

The highest percentage of humans will take the easiest path provided. And while most of the above we just consider improvements to daily life, efficiencies, it has also fundamentally changed on average what we are capable of and what skills we learn (especially during formative years). If I dropped most of us here into a pre-technology wilderness we'd be dead in short order.

However, most of the above, it can be argued, are just tools that don't impact our actual thought processes; thinking remained our skill. Now the tools are starting to "think", or at least appear like they do on a level indistinguishable to the average person. If the box in my hand can tell me what 4367 x 2231 is and the capital of Guam, why then wouldn't I rely on it when it starts writing up full content for me? Because the average human adapts to the lowest required skill set I do worry that providing a device in our hands that "thinks" is going to reduce our learned ability to rationally process and check what it puts out, just like I've lost the ability to check if my calculator is lying to me. And not to get all dystopian here... but what if then, what that tool is telling me is true, is, for whatever reason, not.

(and yes, I ran this through a spell checker because I'm a part of the problem above... and it found words I thought I could still spell, and I'm 55)

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People are worried AI is making us dumber. You hear it all the time. GPS wrecked our sense of direction. Spellcheck killed spelling. Now it’s AI’s turn to supposedly rot our brains. It’s the same old story. New tool comes along, people freak out about what we’re “losing.” But they’re missing the point. It’s never about losing skills, it’s about shifting them. And usually, the shift is upwards. Take GPS. Yeah, okay, m…

AI can program, but not engineer. Even then, you eventually reach a point in the project where it is too complex for AI to even do snippets; especially if you are pioneering something new that has never been done before. A sprinter is unlikely to win a marathon, and that is what using AI to program is like. By the time you have to take over, you have a huge learning curve ahead of you as you can lean on the AI less a…

Most people with "engineer" titles spend relatively little of their time on actual quantitative engineering or "higher level" thinking. A lot of their work involves manual information processing: Organizing and arranging things, fitting things together, troubleshooting. This could be justified for a couple of reasons: Maybe a lot of the stuff that was "engineering" is now handled by the CAD software. That's great. But also, the efficiency of those tools has raised the complexity of systems to the point where the interaction between parts consumes most of the engineers' attention.

Managers also spend most of their time on the same things, but handling different kinds of information.

But CAD hasn't changed the immutable laws of engineering, such as Brooks's Law. When I hear about the wonders of AI transforming engineers into higher level thinkers, my snarky response is: "Does this mean that projects will finish on time?"

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I think this study does not say what most people are taking it to say. > our research questions - when and how knowledge workers perceive the enaction of critical thinking when using GenAI (RQ1), and when and why do knowledge workers perceive increased/decreased effort for critical thinking due to GenAI (RQ2) This is about the application of critical thinking to AI outputs and in AI workflows. Are people cognitively…

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People are worried AI is making us dumber. You hear it all the time. GPS wrecked our sense of direction. Spellcheck killed spelling. Now it’s AI’s turn to supposedly rot our brains. It’s the same old story. New tool comes along, people freak out about what we’re “losing.” But they’re missing the point. It’s never about losing skills, it’s about shifting them. And usually, the shift is upwards. Take GPS. Yeah, okay, m…

After watching [Oxford Researchers Discover How to Use AI to Learn Like a Genius]( https://youtu.be/TPLPpz6dD3A?si=FJJ-S6wz0PPrJuSn ) a few days ago, I've been using ChatGPT in "reverse mode" a lot. I give it a excerpt of a text I'm reading and ask it to ask me questions from it at different levels of detail. I have to say it feels like a superpower! The answers to questions that you needed to supply really stick on…

This is exactly the use case I’ve been thinking about, so thank you for linking this video.

What I want is for my ereader to feed the text I just read into a good LLM and then quiz me on what I read.

What’s kind of funny is that I hated homework as a kid, now I’m basically begging for a computer to give me some

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I agree with the study participants. Using LLMs makes me feel less capable at some cognitive tasks, but it's hard to say whether I've actually declined or if use of AI has dispelled some of the Dunning-Kruger effect for me around my own skills.

For instance, LLMs are excellent at rewriting text in a specific style/tone. I used to believe I was quite good at that, but LLMs always do better. Now I no longer believe I am quite good. Did I become worse at text synthesis, or did I simply become more aware of my skills and limitations?

This is emblematic of a broader issue with self-reported data. It'd be good to measure critical thinking skills against earlier benchmarks for a clearer picture.

It's also important to not only focus on one skill, because while AI might make certain areas of our mind atrophy, others might now be more engaged. Just like when pocket calculators became popular and we all got worse at mental arithmetic but much better at applied mathematics overall. High level programming languages have made software engineers worse at comp-sci, but much better at applying it; commodification of cars made the average driver much less capable of understanding car mechanics, but much better at driving; and so on. My thesis is that human brainpower is not generally reduced by technological innovation, but changed.

One thing's for sure - cognitive changes in society (and especially how they relate to technology) is an area I'd like to see more research in. I think there are a few discoveries to be made there.

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I think this study does not say what most people are taking it to say. > our research questions - when and how knowledge workers perceive the enaction of critical thinking when using GenAI (RQ1), and when and why do knowledge workers perceive increased/decreased effort for critical thinking due to GenAI (RQ2) This is about the application of critical thinking to AI outputs and in AI workflows. Are people cognitively…

Thanks for clarifying, based on the title I totally thought the study was about critical thinking in general.

For the record, I’m not going to read the article to verify your statement.

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I think this study does not say what most people are taking it to say. > our research questions - when and how knowledge workers perceive the enaction of critical thinking when using GenAI (RQ1), and when and why do knowledge workers perceive increased/decreased effort for critical thinking due to GenAI (RQ2) This is about the application of critical thinking to AI outputs and in AI workflows. Are people cognitively…

It really has been a sight watching the loudest anti-AI people flog this around, then turn to rage when you clarify the range of the actual conclusion. Generative AI got a lot more useful when I started seeing it abstractly. I put data in, it finds correlations in its neural network, and produces different data. I have to be intentional in interpreting that data to figure out what to do with it. Once I started thinki…

> Generative AI got a lot more useful when I started seeing it abstractly. I put data in, it finds correlations in its neural network, and produces different data. I have to be intentional in interpreting that data to figure out what to do with it.

In my opinion this is a mischaracterization just as you stated others have "raged" [0] about. The simple question for you is: how do you know how to interpret? When precision and/or depth has no critical bearing I agree with your sentiment. However shades of grey appear in the simplest of prompts, often, quick. People who do not already have the skill to "interpret" the data, as you stated, can (and probably will) assume it is correct. That end user is also not constantly reminded of the age of the underlying data the model was trained on, nor are they aware how an LLM foundationally works or if it is reasoning or not - amongst many other unknowns.

Yes, while I feel as though the Microsoft report can have an air of "yes, that's the condition we expect" you're also not considering other, very important, inputs to that trivial response. Read the paper in the context of middle and high school students and now how does the "rage" feel? Are you a parent on a school board seeing this happen first hand?

Not everyone has the analytical pedigree of people like yourself and the easy access to LLMs is pissing people off as they watch a generation being robbed via the easy (and oft wrong) button.

[0] "It really has been a sight watching the loudest anti-AI people flog this around, then turn to rage when you clarify the range of the actual conclusion."

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