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Watchdog ponders why Apple doesn't apply its strict app tracking rules to itself

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Re: Watchdog ponders why Apple doesn't apply its strict app tracking rules to itself

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Post by neuroelectron »

manmal wrote: post #59
neuroelectron wrote: post #50

Thankfully iOS is pretty complete without apps. I don't use apps, I don't find them more convenient than websites. I use my phone like a basic computer. I only really use more advanced things outside of news/calendar/maps on a home desktop PC. I'm not particularly old-fashioned as I had a 12 year career in FAANG mostly working with sensitive PII and business data which is quite boring if you're not a criminal. But I…

Do you only use iMessage? No music player? No robot vacuum you need to control? Fitness tracker, car remote, Steam app for MFA, etc?

I don't use MFA, it is less secure than no MFA, so yes, no, no and no. I use VLC though but that doesn't use any tracking or data, afaik.

My roomba is 10 years old and has no wifi

Re: Watchdog ponders why Apple doesn't apply its strict app tracking rules to itself

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Post by gregoriol »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #48
gregoriol wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you trust Apple with what they do on your iPhone, you should trust the third-party with what they do inside their app, there is no difference. If you need to know the details of what is done inside the third-party app, then that third-party is not trustworthy. Or you also need to know what is done inside iOS. The problem is that in today world, we don't know who we can trust, and that the context might change over…

> there is no difference. That’s not true, Facebook’s business model is inherently privacy invading.

Do you compare Facebook that knows about your friends and holidays to Apple iPhone+iPad+mac+homepod+watch+health+card+wallet+mail+contacts+calendar+passwords+... ?

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Post by jshier »

Infernal wrote: post #52
modeless wrote: post #40

Love how Apple requires App Store free trials to last the full duration even if you cancel, but Apple's own free trials cancel instantly. Rules for thee but not for me...

I have not found this to be the case - just last week I signed up for a free 4 month trial of Apple Music and immediately (like, the next 30 seconds) canceled and retained my trial period. I have also done this with News and TV in the past.

Isn't that the free period Apple gives you for purchasing a new device? That's different than the actual free trial in app purchases normal apps get. I think they gave you four months of the service as a specific purchase. Third party apps could do that but then they'd have to manage all of those separate purchases.

Re: Watchdog ponders why Apple doesn't apply its strict app tracking rules to itself

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Post by watermelon0 »

Infernal wrote: post #52
modeless wrote: post #40

Love how Apple requires App Store free trials to last the full duration even if you cancel, but Apple's own free trials cancel instantly. Rules for thee but not for me...

I have not found this to be the case - just last week I signed up for a free 4 month trial of Apple Music and immediately (like, the next 30 seconds) canceled and retained my trial period. I have also done this with News and TV in the past.

Here is a 3 months old thread showing that Apple Music trial gets cancelled right away: https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1g664x4/appl...

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Post by CharlesW »

buran77 wrote: post #44
CharlesW wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's very wide and obscure. It's not "obscure" to anyone who takes 5 minutes to ask for it. Apple will happily send you all the data they have about you. https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/apple-data-and-privacy-how... https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-r...

You're shooting blanks from the hip. Jumping to answer without even understanding the question or the point of the article. When I activate a brand new iPhone I don't get presented with Cnet/Zdnet articles from 7 years that tell me that the OS tracking I'm consenting to now will be pooled with any tracking collected from any Apple app now or in the future. Apple does not allow 3rd party apps to cross track. Insta app…

Again, I'm responding to your "obscure" characterization. The information Apple collects is well-documented by Apple and others, and available for anyone to validate.

> Insta app can't collect tracking from the FB app.

Meta absolutely aggregates user data across their different applications/services.

Re: Watchdog ponders why Apple doesn't apply its strict app tracking rules to itself

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Post by inetknght »

JimDabell wrote: post #3

When I buy an iPhone and use iOS, I’m making an active choice to be an Apple user. When I install a third-party app and use it, I’m making an active choice to be their user too. When that third-party app embeds the Facebook SDK which tracks me, I don’t know about it and do not have the ability to consent to Facebook tracking me. ATT brings Facebook to the same level as Apple and the third-party app developers by givi…

> When I buy an iPhone and use iOS, I’m making an active choice to be an Apple user.

No, I'm making an active choice to have a device capable of SMS, voice and video calls, and recordings.

Re: Watchdog ponders why Apple doesn't apply its strict app tracking rules to itself

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

gregoriol wrote: post #62
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is no difference. That’s not true, Facebook’s business model is inherently privacy invading.

Do you compare Facebook that knows about your friends and holidays to Apple iPhone+iPad+mac+homepod+watch+health+card+wallet+mail+contacts+calendar+passwords+... ?

Apple makes money from selling me goods, Facebook makes money from selling my attention.

This is why I can trust Apple more than Facebook.

Re: Watchdog ponders why Apple doesn't apply its strict app tracking rules to itself

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Post by NBJack »

chongli wrote: post #58
willis936 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where's the consent? Where's the opt out? These are things we demand of all companies.

Every time I've ever updated my MacBook or my iPhone to the newest OS I got a popup asking if I wanted to consent to reporting anonymous usage data to Apple. I've always refused. Am I to believe that Apple ignores my explicit refusal of consent and reports the data anyway?

Yes:

https://www.cyberghostvpn.com/privacyhub/apple-privacy-viola...

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Post by SSLy »

watermelon0 wrote: post #64
Infernal wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have not found this to be the case - just last week I signed up for a free 4 month trial of Apple Music and immediately (like, the next 30 seconds) canceled and retained my trial period. I have also done this with News and TV in the past.

Here is a 3 months old thread showing that Apple Music trial gets cancelled right away: https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1g664x4/appl...

that's been happening for years even
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