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A Year of Telepathy

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Am I the only one a bit disturbed by this whole communication ?

I mean, we all know helping disabled is not the end-game objective of neuralink. And right now, from a very cynical point of view, disabled people constitute a large reservoir of cobayes and free marketing for Neuralink

I don’t know how much has been invested in R&D on Neuralink, but I doubt we have ever invested that much money in any other technology to provide autonomy to the disabled.

And it is not perfectly clear to me that, for the sole prospect of helping paralysed people, Neuralink is the best way to go. It sure is the one that looks the coolest, but it’s going to be very expensive, hard to fix when something goes wrong, and it is also hard to trust. Those issues do not seem to be avoidable

Don’t get me wrong, I admire the huge QoL gain for the three patients. As individuals, they sure benefited from this. Idk if the same is true of the disabled as a social group

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He said he did not.

Musk lies frequently, and trolls just as frequently. Even if you take him at his word it is still pretty damning that a person in his position couldn't conceptualize how the gesture would be received, and then just not do it. I get the same vibes from people who defend it, they are frequently commenting in bad faith on many forums, and maybe even here where the discourse level is a bit higher.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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post #61

Am I the only one a bit disturbed by this whole communication ? I mean, we all know helping disabled is not the end-game objective of neuralink. And right now, from a very cynical point of view, disabled people constitute a large reservoir of cobayes and free marketing for Neuralink I don’t know how much has been invested in R&D on Neuralink, but I doubt we have ever invested that much money in any other technology t…

> we all know helping disabled is not the end-game objective of neuralink.

Can you tell us more what you surmise we all think is the end-game objective?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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As much as I hate Musk, this brings a tear to my eyes seeing these disabled people regain autonomy and feel like a person again.

The same disabled people whose hard earned rights are on the chopping block right now in the name of anti wokeness? I’ll say, taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach.

> taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach.

That's not what is happening here. These tools (Neuralink and others) enable people who are disabled to participate more in society.

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The same disabled people whose hard earned rights are on the chopping block right now in the name of anti wokeness? I’ll say, taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach.

> taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach. That's not what is happening here. These tools (Neuralink and others) enable people who are disabled to participate more in society.

But it won’t help get them a job because DEI is bad.

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The same disabled people whose hard earned rights are on the chopping block right now in the name of anti wokeness? I’ll say, taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach.

> taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach. That's not what is happening here. These tools (Neuralink and others) enable people who are disabled to participate more in society.

Yes, this is the selling back part. The taking away is currently happening in the White House and at the Broccoli aisle.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Between 2018 and 2022 "the company has tested on and killed at least 1,500 animals — over 280 sheep, pigs, and monkeys, as well as mice and rats." [0] 0: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/12/11/23500157/neura...

Being concerned about animal testing seems pretty silly coming from people who likely eat pigs, sheep and other intelligent animals every day, who likely lived in just as bad conditions if not worse their whole lives leading up to them becoming food. I also eat meat, it just seems a bit ironic to me.

You are ignoring the benefit side of a benefit-harm morality analysis.

Eating an animal at least ostensibly has positive value for the people doing so. However, there are plenty of forms of "animal testing" that confer zero positive value. For instance, testing the wrong compound or inserting the wrong implant confers zero benefit. Having improper controls, "testing" nonsensical theories, repeating stale results poorly, inadequate data collection, etc. are just a few ways a test procedure can be totally useless or even actively harmful.

This also ignores one of the other aspects of animal testing which is as a dry run or rehearsal for actual application. You do it right in animals so you are practiced at doing it right for when you need to do it right in humans. "Oh yeah, we royally screwed up in every rehearsal, but we will nail it in production." is not an acceptable approach. You look at the care taken during their practiced procedures on less critical subjects to determine if their practiced procedure is adequate for more critical subjects. A process that kills far more test subjects than others or achieves middling results relative to resource expenditure or that treats subjects as disposable for "advancing science" is not a process fit for human subjects. Assuming ingrained cultural process deficiencies will magically disappear when using changing subjects is foolish.

These are just some of the reasons why people eating a ridiculous number of animals does not and should not waive our invalidate concerns about animal testing procedure.

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post #66

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> taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach. That's not what is happening here. These tools (Neuralink and others) enable people who are disabled to participate more in society.

But it won’t help get them a job because DEI is bad.

Nobody prevents them from getting a job, as long as they pass the interview like everyone else.

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach. That's not what is happening here. These tools (Neuralink and others) enable people who are disabled to participate more in society.

But it won’t help get them a job because DEI is bad.

> But it won’t help get them a job because DEI is bad.

That's an uncharitable take that focuses on the wrong issue, in my opinion.

Noland's life was pretty dire: "Since dislocating his C4-5 vertebrae in a 2016 swimming accident, Arbaugh had dropped out of Texas A&M and returned to live with his family in Yuma, Arizona. Due to the combination of Yuma’s scorching heat — from May to September the average high temperature is 99 degrees or more — and the intense spasms he experienced when sitting in his power chair, Arbaugh spent most of his time in bed, watching TV. With no sensation or function below his shoulders and having limited caregiving hours provided by the state, he relied heavily on his parents and brother and often felt like a burden." [1]

After Neuralink, the abilities that Noland gained is best represented by his own words: “Before, I would wake up and just [watch] my TV,” he says. “Now, I wake up and [work] on my computer. It’s very similar, but at the same time, my daily routine has changed from just watching stuff to being more active and interactive with the world.”

[1] https://newmobility.com/noland-arbaughs-life-as-the-first-ne...

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