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Post by arrowsmith »

bilekas wrote: post #36
LadyCailin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general, no. By withholding federal funds, and with owning congress and scotus, yes.

I'll admit I'm not privy to US educational system etc, but isn't Harvard a private university ? Why would they be receiving significant federal funds in the first place ?

"Federal student loans allow [private universities] to raise fees much higher than they otherwise would be able to charge, as do tuition tax credits and Pell Grants. The tax-deductible treatment of private donations helps fund new buildings. … State and local government exemption of facilities from property and sometimes sales taxes provide further assistance. The federal government hands out research grants, with generous (probably overly generous) provision for overhead expenses. Endowments are also advantaged enormously by tax privileges."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedder/2018/04/08/there-...

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Post by lazide »

koolba wrote: post #49
globalnode wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

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Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them?

What do you think?

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Post by lazide »

nicce wrote: post #58
hypothesis wrote: post #34

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There is no need to lie, as this is easily verifiable, eg: > A federal court on January 31 temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s government-wide pause on federal grant funding. But soon after, the administration argued the president’s directives were still in effect. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/billions-dollars-us-project...

Who has the power to enforce directives? Will police and military soon go the White House/other places so that federal grant continues, if court asks? Because if court cannot do that, it is already lost.

Since the military reports to Trump directly, and they have a lot more guns than the police….

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Post by easyThrowaway »

koolba wrote: post #49
globalnode wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

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What makes you think that you're so special that what happened in Turkey or Hungary (or worse, Belarus) won't happen in the US?

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milesrout wrote: post #27
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

>I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. Harvard like other liberal institutions has little to no political capital in a Republican white house in the first place. Why would it cost them any to host data that is in the public domain? This sort of silly overreaction is part of why people voted for Tr…

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Post by Applejinx »

koolba wrote: post #49
globalnode wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

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It's easy for people to draw the wrong conclusion when part of the state of play in all this, is a network of foreign-adversary troll farms blanketing the internet and taking pains to seed public opinion with the assumption that all this is a fait accompli.

Every thing that has been attempted and failed or rolled back, so far, has had people out there stating as fact that it's permanent now and will never fail or roll back.

So, rather than take it as read that suspension of elections and total subversion of the process is guaranteed, instead take it as read that there will be people at work (literally) presenting that idea as if it is the only possible outcome, and getting a certain proportion of real people to agree with them. You'll always persuade somebody, no matter how odd your proposition is.

I personally think there'll be elections, that they'll be interfered with but perhaps not enough to truly alter the outcome, and that the real action isn't to do with establishing a functional dictatorship, but rather to do as much harm as possible while possible, so any political reversal will lead to the victors presiding over a gravely wounded country. I think that's a lot more probable than 'there will never be elections and the dictatorship will be all-powerful'. They don't look or act all-powerful, they just are very effective at putting sand in the gears. I think that sabotage is the real purpose here.

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Post by IsTom »

vincnetas wrote: post #57
IsTom wrote: post #37

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You can download and share only selected parts of a torrent. With enough people you're going to get full coverage anyway.

how do you coordinate who downloads which part?

Torrents track availability of pieces, you can seed ones with least availability if you want that.

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Post by Applejinx »

mongol wrote: post #40
globalnode wrote: post #22

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Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

I am sure there will be elections. Question is how fair they will be. Have a look at Russia's recent presidential election. Putin "winning" it was a given from the start. US voters need to be mindful of all the ways an election can be rigged.

Putin's meddling all over the place including here.

To the extent that he has a role in this (certainly has publically claimed to!), he will in no way seek to make America a powerful allied country to Russia. There's no reason to assume he intends Trump or even Musk to actually be powerful in their own right.

Especially Musk. Musk must be mad to put himself in the position he's in. The only reason Putin would allow Musk to do what he's doing, is because it's patently obvious that Musk is undermining his own potential political base in every way, with every action. A widely hated man who's gone full Bond villain is no threat to Putin, politically. He's setting himself up to be demonized (Musk is) and doesn't even seem to register it.

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Post by nxm »

fredoliveira wrote: post #4

Honestly a shame it has to come to this. Sure, people elected this administration and I guess with that comes with a bunch things I disagree with. But the removal of years of scientific research and data from the web (paid for by citizens with their taxes) is absolutely unacceptable. Ravaging CDC data, climate data, etc is horrendous and unforgivable.

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