Calling EMCAScript JavaScript was a huge mistake that is still biting us.
Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.
>Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke. Except for Mail and Calendar that they randomly decided to murder and replace with some Outlook webapp garbage.
What is unusual is how pushy Microsoft is in trying to get people to switch now instead of in the last second. And of course the quick murder of the consumer email thingy
[1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/outlook/new-outlook...
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#63Who wants Oracle to start controlling it?
We're mostly better off leaving it a gray area maybe until Oracle gets more aggressive with it.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#64Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn't say 2019 is particularly old. I didn't even know IE still existed at the time - I thought it had been replaced by Edge.
Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.
I wish they'd done the opposite instead: same UI, but with a better browser engine.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#66I hope this is good marketing for Deno and not just a huge distraction. I feel like Bun is running circles around them right now. I feel like there might even be room for 3 winners (Bun, Deno, Node) but I don't understand the point of this. If Deno wins this battle will that make we want use Deno more?
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#67Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support and we could do it fairly swiftly. To hell with Oracle.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
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Yea their CLI has 510 Weekly Downloads on npm and JET itself nearly 1000. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/ojet-cli https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/oraclejet
A date picker widget I tossed on NPM 13 years ago gets 32,000 downloads per week. 510 a week is background activity, that's indexing bots or one org's CI system.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#69They are using the wrong tactics. They should use the "Kleenex" argument and say it's generic. But what do I know.
>Our petition challenges Oracle’s trademark on three grounds:
>Genericness – JavaScript is a widely used programming language, not an Oracle product.
>Abandonment – Oracle does not control, maintain, or enforce the trademark.
>Fraud on the USPTO – Oracle submitted misleading evidence in its renewal filing.
Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored
#70Just under 30 years ago, when I was starting my IT studies, I had an older colleague who was a great authority to me. When I began learning about RDBMS options, I called him to ask, „What do you think about Oracle?”. He just shouted, „Total crap!!!” and that was enough for me. Since then, to this day, I’ve never touched Oracle.
HOWEVER, the way they run their business is horrible. Oracle the product was various versions of awesome to just OK. Oracle the business is a modern-day mafioso shakedown.