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Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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> It may well be cheaper in the long run to buy your own hardware

That's why my ISP forces me to rent theirs!

Something something market dominance in one market something something force dominance in another market …

In the end, I just treat the network like any other: assume the network is compromised, and security is/should be done by the endpoints.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#62

Can anyone suggest a good modem for DSL Fiber? I have CenturyLink/Quantum.

I use a Dell R530 rack mount server. I had to configure PPP over Ethernet, and a Vlan of 201, but I've not been forced to the "quantum" BS. I've heard you just do DHCP, No PPPoE for that.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#63

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

Interestingly, in my part of Los Angeles, the single family homes all got fiber well before the apartment retrofit. It took me joining the hoa board and a year to jump through the hoops for Frontier fios retrofit.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#64

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

> …I guess that turned into a bit of a personal rant but holy crap how is it 2025 and this is still a problem in a major tech city?

Regulation created by ISPs to create monopolies for themselves.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#65

Some of the comments here about ISP behaviour are crazy. Australia has had our fair share of fucking up the national internet infrastructure but at least I can pick pretty much any ISP and use any router I like. Haven't used an ISP supplied router in something like 15 years.

All over the US I have always been able to use my own cable modem and router. OPs situation is unusual, I am guessing its some bundle they have for a discount but if they were paying standard (ie ripoff) rates they could use their own equipment.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#66
Often hard to use your own stuff with fiber systems. I get AT&T fiber which is pretty good service but no way to use your own “modem” (optical network terminal). I think their gateway suffers from some kind of buffer issue which affects me even w/ “ip pass through” to my own Synology router.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#67

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

Leave their's in place but treat it as untrusted. Place your router between your home network and theirs. It works well.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#68

Any desktop computer + Intel dual GB NIC + opnsense and you have an amazingly powerful router. Add in a Raspberry Pi running the Omada controller software and some Omada access points and you have an inexpensive and very robust WiFi network. Don’t forget to turn on auto updates for opnsense.

I recently switched to opnsense on bare metal on an N105 with dual 2.5g NIC, after having been quite happy for many years running a bunch of Asus routers on Merlin.

My main goals were to improve throughput and security. Opnsense seems to work well OOTB, but being a dilettante in these matters I must admit to having a nagging anxiety that I may have misconfigured something important.

Any recommendations for a reliable way to check that?

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#69
> Backup: an ISP will give one device. Should it fail at an inopportune time, you will be off-line until you get them to issue a replacement. When you own your own hardware, you can buy a second modem and/or a router for emergency backup.

This is nicer than it seems because "I've already tried a completely different modem" is a good way to short circuit ISP troubleshooting scripts IME.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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post #30

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

I'm surprised by this, is Comcast super regional with it's restrictions? I have a Comcast 1gig plan in the Bay Area, and last I checked I get a small ($5?) discount for using my own modem. I've been on the plan for a least a few years now... so alternatively maybe I'm grandfathered in or something? Or maybe some Comcast sales person was lying to you about your options?

Competition matters. Comcast/Xfinity was my only "choice" in Cambridge, MA. It cost about $70 per month for 100Mbps service.

My building in Oakland, CA has multiple options, including fiber. The Comcast folks setup tables at least once per quarter to help customers/residents. The cost was much cheaper. I now have gigabit fiber from Wave, and pay less than I did back in MA.

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