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Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by emptysongglass »

Ensorceled wrote: post #17
bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

> Not that one is better than the other per-se. Smoking weed is CLEARLY, OVERWHELMINGLY better than smoking tobacco by being less addictive and MUCH less likely to cause various cancers.

The substance can cause psychotic breaks in certain people and terrifying out of body experiences and paranoia in others (I'm in the second category). Long term use negatively affects emotional processing and sleep quality.

It's a harmful drug whose harms are simply on another order than tobacco (psychological wellbeing).

I don't really buy this or any other argument made for the virtues of an otherwise pretty terrible drug.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by shermantanktop »

high_na_euv wrote: post #31
bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

>You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. I think it may be just your bubble Ive never saw someone casually smoking weed on streets

Just saw someone smoking weed using a beer can as a pipe, waiting for the bus, at 11am. This was in Seattle. It’s common here. And the smell, it lingers and wafts down the block, ugh.

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Post by ses1984 »

high_na_euv wrote: post #31
bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

>You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. I think it may be just your bubble Ive never saw someone casually smoking weed on streets

If you walk around busy areas of Manhattan (or any sufficiently busy metro area where weed is legal (and even some where it’s not)) you will smell weed at any time of day.

It’s the first thing my coworkers remarked on when they visited our ny offices from out of the country.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by ryandvm »

542354234235 wrote: post #60
potato3732842 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If public opinion is so against smoking then why not let it fizzle out? Your comment exactly captures what I mean. Every government in the west more or less shared your attitude over the past decade or two and what did it get them? A bunch of populists winning elections because people like you calculated that you could push the envelope on just about ever issue all at once and while you were all probably right indivi…

Why is a non-smoker’s right not to breath in smoke not included in your calculation? Why is it only the smoker (well the smoker in a very narrow and specific case) that is being “pushed” now and not the non-smokers having been pushed for decades? The closer you live to others, the more your individual actions can and do affect others. The ‘my liberty ends where yours begins' concept. Of course there is no perfect uni…

The idea that outdoor smokers are impinging on your right to breathe is a bit of a stretch. You can breathe just fine and there is no evidence that catching the stray odor of a cigarette has any impact at all on your health. These people are sucking this smoke directly into their lungs all day for years on end and only a minority of them will ever actually develop cancer and you're going to act like you can't breathe if you smell one?

Should we outlaw public farting too?

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Post by anal_reactor »

bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

I think the problem is that at some point cigarette smokers started terrorizing the rest of the society, assuming that every space is smoking space. This doesn't really happen with weed, at least not to same extent

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by anal_reactor »

potato3732842 wrote: post #4

I'm gonna ask the same thing I asked when some city in Spain did this. What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? I'm not sure what a "reasonable" carve out for these people would look like but people aren't idiots and they tend to resent individuals, groups and institutions that make their daily behavior unlawful with the stroke of a pen and the more poli…

> What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke?

I don't know, I don't care. If you belong to lower social class you have less privileges, like smoking. Smoking is a luxury, not a basic necessity.

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Post by rsanek »

ryandvm wrote: post #64
542354234235 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is a non-smoker’s right not to breath in smoke not included in your calculation? Why is it only the smoker (well the smoker in a very narrow and specific case) that is being “pushed” now and not the non-smokers having been pushed for decades? The closer you live to others, the more your individual actions can and do affect others. The ‘my liberty ends where yours begins' concept. Of course there is no perfect uni…

The idea that outdoor smokers are impinging on your right to breathe is a bit of a stretch. You can breathe just fine and there is no evidence that catching the stray odor of a cigarette has any impact at all on your health. These people are sucking this smoke directly into their lungs all day for years on end and only a minority of them will ever actually develop cancer and you're going to act like you can't breathe…

i don't think breathing in farts has been shown to have negative health impacts

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Post by anal_reactor »

cpldcpu wrote: post #56
askl wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But drinking with coworkers is an important part of work culture in Japan. So seems unlikely.

good point, it's certainly more of a trend with the younger generation and in the west. But even living in a country that is perceived as "beer centric", i noticed that people are starting to be much more conscious of their alcohol consumption after covid. For the young generation, alcohol does not seem to play as big a role anymore and i would expect that this carries over to their work-life once they enter the work…

I come from a country where heavy drinking was extremely normalized and common. Then the society completely shifted. Bringing vodka used to be the default thing to do when invited anywhere, nowadays you can't get people to drink a beer with you.

I looked into statistics, and turns out, people didn't stop drinking, they actually drink much more, what changed is that drinking stopped being a social activity, and now is a solo introvert home activity. I think that's the real societal shift.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

bko wrote: post #20
lotsofpulp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others, and cannabis smoke airs out pretty easily, as opposed to cigarette smoke that sticks to everything and doesn’t go away. Not that cannabis smoke isn’t annoying, but it’s far less annoying than cigarette smoke ever was.

> I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others I think driving while high is dangerous and inexplicably very accepted in society. But my comment wasn't "they're hurting someone by choosing to smoke weed". It's more I feel bad that they're inebriated for much of their day and for me that's kind of sad. I've known pot-heads before and they're not exactly living their best lives and are often dependent…

Driving while high on anything is already illegal. Just like driving while distracted, but using mobile phones while driving is far more accepted than any other dangerous activity.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

nytesky wrote: post #33
lotsofpulp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others, and cannabis smoke airs out pretty easily, as opposed to cigarette smoke that sticks to everything and doesn’t go away. Not that cannabis smoke isn’t annoying, but it’s far less annoying than cigarette smoke ever was.

I’m pretty sure anyone high cannabis is a danger to others while driving? The smell of weed does not air out — every taxi I get into stinks of it constantly. Not only that, it has a much greater range - I usually saw a cigarette smoker but I can smell weed on the street and not see them at all. And my car air filter kept out cigarette odor when on recirculate, but some how weed gets through and I have to close and tu…

It goes without saying that being high on anything while driving is dangerous to others. Although, in my experience, people high on cannabis just drive dangerously slow.

This differs from drugs like alcohol, which inherently increase people’s propensity to be a danger to others.

I guess we have had different experiences with the smell of cannabis, but back from when I worked in a hotel, the protocol for when a person smoked cannabis in a room was to just leave the window and door open for 15 minutes, and no one would be the wiser after that.

Whereas, if someone smoked cigarettes in the room, the cleaning process was far more costly.

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