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Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Post by PinguTS »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #54
PinguTS wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SAP, Samwer brothers and many people related to Rocket Internet, Frank Thelen and his buddies, Philip (PIP) Klöckner, … q.e.d.

Samwer brothers without their parents would end up writing PHP in Bucarest. While I appreciate and enjoy Zalando, they'd never succeed as three guys coming to Germany from abroad and launching a business. Wirecard looked fishy in this regards... and indeed it was fishy. The secret sauce as a foreigner and someone not born with silver spoon is capital and resources of Russian intelligence.

BTW: Samwer didn't made there money with Zalando. They made their money with a copycat of eBay and then selling it to eBay. They made that with many business. They made copycats of successful US business in other countries and then selling it back. Then they made there money with the Ringtone business. All this was way before Zalando.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Post by leviliebvin »

ChemSpider wrote: post #60
leviliebvin wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know where you are coming from, but I want to point out that this is not the typical skilled immigrant experience. I have met a couple of Americans with 10+YOE who have been imported to Germany with competitive salaries, like 150k€/year. They live in Berlin or Munich, are already partnered up, have a nice nest egg from their years working in the US, and just enjoy being expats on a little adventure. This is not the…

Honest question: What major German company is in a 20,000 pop town in the middle of nowhere? And if so, would that mean life in such a town is worse than in a comparable small town somewhere in the middle of the US? Indeed, salaries are better in the US, especially AI jobs salaries. But you also need less savings in the EU due to a much better social security system, e. g. free healthcare in case you get unemployed,…

Lots of bigger companies like Zeiss or Bosch have many locations and depending on your team you might or might not end up in a really terrible location.

> would that mean life in such a town is worse than in a comparable small town somewhere in the middle of the US?

You lose a lot of the advantages that you listed such as public transportation, walkable cities and free healthcare (availability is terrible in certain locations). But honestly, it's a terrible location to live in, if you want to have any kind of social life, and consider that as a foreigner you probably don't have loads of contacts in the country.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Post by fileeditview »

PinguTS wrote: post #50
lifestyleguru wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like poor fighting each other with batons in the mud. The "German rich" fiscally are residents of Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, with some Dutch and Swiss plot twists. No rich has been bred from German fiscal reality in the recent decades.

SAP, Samwer brothers and many people related to Rocket Internet, Frank Thelen and his buddies, Philip (PIP) Klöckner, … q.e.d.

Or Dieter Schwarz, founder of Lidl

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Post by kleiba »

mertbio wrote: post #12
kleiba wrote: post #8

The right-wing narrative scattered throughout this article is irritating. It's also a bit laughable that Germany could stand a realistic chance to top the world's intelligent robot production - as long as we're talking about general-purpose and hence likely humanoid robots. As far as I'm aware, Germany has no history in building such robots while companies from other countries, both Asian and US, have a big head-star…

> Germany has no history in building such robots Germany was leading in the industrial robots with KUKA until they sold the company to China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KUKA

Yes, and I was specifically referring to general-purpose, humanoid robots.

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Post by kleiba »

z7 wrote: post #33
kleiba wrote: post #8

The right-wing narrative scattered throughout this article is irritating. It's also a bit laughable that Germany could stand a realistic chance to top the world's intelligent robot production - as long as we're talking about general-purpose and hence likely humanoid robots. As far as I'm aware, Germany has no history in building such robots while companies from other countries, both Asian and US, have a big head-star…

> The right-wing narrative scattered throughout this article is irritating. Without further substantiation such a claim is very low signal. What it tells me is that you think he said something bad or something you disapprove of.

Have you read the article?

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Post by lifestyleguru »

fileeditview wrote: post #63
PinguTS wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SAP, Samwer brothers and many people related to Rocket Internet, Frank Thelen and his buddies, Philip (PIP) Klöckner, … q.e.d.

Or Dieter Schwarz, founder of Lidl

Yeah the famous innovators and entrepreneurs Schwarz group. Launched in 1930 and receiving European Bank loans to expand in Eastern Europe.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Post by portaouflop »

rkwasny wrote: post #28
portaouflop wrote: post #19

General purpose robots don’t make sense - humans are infinitely better for this purpose and way cheaper to produce. Sure the robots could do very dangerous or tedious work that would be “inhuman”, but I would argue that for this kind of work a specialised robot will always be more efficient and way cheaper to produce. Apart from how science fiction this all is - we can’t even produce a general purpose robot don’t mak…

Some people thought heavier-than-air flight is impossible.

Some people still think ramjets are possible — what’s your point?

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Post by portaouflop »

kmmlng wrote: post #45
portaouflop wrote: post #19

General purpose robots don’t make sense - humans are infinitely better for this purpose and way cheaper to produce. Sure the robots could do very dangerous or tedious work that would be “inhuman”, but I would argue that for this kind of work a specialised robot will always be more efficient and way cheaper to produce. Apart from how science fiction this all is - we can’t even produce a general purpose robot don’t mak…

> humans are infinitely better for this purpose and way cheaper to produce. Most of the western world is having demographic issues. We are having trouble getting people to reproduce in sufficient numbers to keep our societies going. This is an ugly trajectory to be on because you have an increasingly big group of old people who need to be supported by an increasingly small number of young people.

I would argue it’s still easier to solve this problem than to build a general purpose robot that has even 1/3 of the capability of a human

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Post by portaouflop »

sega_sai wrote: post #24
portaouflop wrote: post #19

General purpose robots don’t make sense - humans are infinitely better for this purpose and way cheaper to produce. Sure the robots could do very dangerous or tedious work that would be “inhuman”, but I would argue that for this kind of work a specialised robot will always be more efficient and way cheaper to produce. Apart from how science fiction this all is - we can’t even produce a general purpose robot don’t mak…

I am not an expert, but it is unclear to me. A specialized robot vs general purpose robot is a scale question. I.e. if the task is big enough(i.e there is need for millions of these robots) and there is enough money, than yes specialized robot is the answer. I think for small scale problem it becomes human vs vs general purpose robot. And there really it's capital investment (for robot) vs constant cashflow (for huma…

I agree - right now we are spending billions on general purpose robots that can barely walk or pour a glass of water. This is a long way until robots get cheap enough, imo way too long to solve the problems discussed in the article
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