I think this holds water.
Metacognition is really how the best of the best can continue to be at their best.
And if you don't use it, you lose it.
Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
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Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#62This stands to reason. If you need the answer to a question, and you can either get it directly, or spend time researching the answer, you're going to learn much more with the latter approach than the former. You may be disciplined enough to do more research if the answer is directly presented to you, but most people will not do that, and most companies are not interested in that, they want quick 'efficient', 'compet…
What is the long term downside in your opinion?
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Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#63This stands to reason. If you need the answer to a question, and you can either get it directly, or spend time researching the answer, you're going to learn much more with the latter approach than the former. You may be disciplined enough to do more research if the answer is directly presented to you, but most people will not do that, and most companies are not interested in that, they want quick 'efficient', 'compet…
that's why I mostly use chatgpt with platonic questions like
- given context c, i tried idea a, b and c. where there other options that I miss ?
- based on this plan, do you see missing efficiency ?
etc etc
i'm not seeking answers, i'm trying to avoid costly dead ends
Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#64Cell phones and laptops in general have changed a couple of things for me, as someone who grew up without them: - I realized about 20y-25y ago that I could run a Web search and find out nearly any fact, probably one-shot but maybe with 2-3 searches' worth of research - About 10-15y ago I began to have a connected device in my pocket that could do this on request at any time - About 5y ago I explicitly *stopped* doing…
I'm just old enough to remember pub trivia before it was possible to look things up with a phone. I firmly maintain that phones ruined pub trivia.
I agree but I think we shouldn’t limit this answer to pub trivia. What other aspect of human society and civil discourse did we lose because we never argue or discuss any more?
Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#65This stands to reason. If you need the answer to a question, and you can either get it directly, or spend time researching the answer, you're going to learn much more with the latter approach than the former. You may be disciplined enough to do more research if the answer is directly presented to you, but most people will not do that, and most companies are not interested in that, they want quick 'efficient', 'compet…
What is the long term downside in your opinion?
I believe he implied by saying:
> you're going to learn much more with the latter approach than the former
that the downside is a lack of deep knowledge that would enable better solutions in the long term
Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#66Cell phones and laptops in general have changed a couple of things for me, as someone who grew up without them: - I realized about 20y-25y ago that I could run a Web search and find out nearly any fact, probably one-shot but maybe with 2-3 searches' worth of research - About 10-15y ago I began to have a connected device in my pocket that could do this on request at any time - About 5y ago I explicitly *stopped* doing…
I'm just old enough to remember pub trivia before it was possible to look things up with a phone. I firmly maintain that phones ruined pub trivia.
Depends on the pub. Where we play there is a gentlemen’s agreement that no one uses phones to help them answer questions
Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#67I'm certainly of two minds on this.
On one hand, this reminds me of how all of the kids were going to be completely helpless in the real world because "no one carries a calculator in their pocket". Then calculators became something ~everyone has in their pocket (and the kids ended up just fine).
On the other hand, I believe in the value of "learning to learn", developing media literacy, and all of the other positives gained when you research and form conclusions on things independently.
The answer is probably somewhere in the middle: leveraging LLMs as a learning aid, rather than LLMs being the final stop.
Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#68This stands to reason. If you need the answer to a question, and you can either get it directly, or spend time researching the answer, you're going to learn much more with the latter approach than the former. You may be disciplined enough to do more research if the answer is directly presented to you, but most people will not do that, and most companies are not interested in that, they want quick 'efficient', 'compet…
We have accounts from the ancient Greeks of the old-school's attitude towards writing. In the deep past, they maintained an oral tradition, and scholars were expected to memorize everything. They saw writing/reading as a crutch that was ruining the youth's memory.
We stand now at the edge of a new epoch, reading now being replaced by AI retrieval. There is concern that AI is a crutch, the youth will be weakened.
My opinion: valid concern. No way to know how it turns out. No indication yet that use of AI is harming business outcomes. The meta argument "AGI will cause massive social change" is probably true.
Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#69The abstract does not define, nor contextually suggest from the prior statements of the results what "metacognitive laziness" means. Personally speaking, I find being able to ask ChatGPT continually more nuanced questions about an initial answer the one clear benefit over a Google search, where I have diminishing marginal returns on my inquisitiveness for the time invested over subsequent searches. The more precisely…
> LLMs really build that bridge to precisely the answers I want. It is interesting that you describe this as "the answers you want" and not "the correct answer to the question I have" Not criticising you in particular, but this does sound to me like this approach has a good possibility of just reinforcing existing biases In fact the approach sounds very similar to "find a wikipedia article and then go dig through the…
Though I think you're reading more into my phrasing than I meant, the overall skepticism is fair.
One thing I do have to be mindful of is asking the AI to check for alternatives, for dissenting or hypothetical answers, and sometimes I just ask it to rephrase to check for consistency.
But doing all of that still takes way less time than searching for needles buried by SEO optimized garbage and well meaning but repetitious summaries.
Re: Metacognitive laziness: Effects of generative AI on learning motivation
#70There are two aspects to this from my pov. And I think it might be controversial. When i have a question about any topic, and I ask Chatgpt, i usually chat about more things, coming up with questions based on the answer, and mostly stupid questions. I feel like I am taking in the information, analyzing, and then diving deeper because I am curious. This is based on how I learn about stuff. I know i need to check a few…
Like an indefatigable, kindly professor.