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Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by loeg »

rpcope1 wrote: post #17

It's probably going to take way more than just free daycare to make a dent. If declining birthrates can be swung back to a more neutral rate like 2.1, it probably will mean wide reaching financial, cultural, and general societal changes. I think something like the Order of Maternal Glory ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Maternal_Glory ) but for like 3+ kids, where there's additional social standing in additio…

Study in Brazil found that housing access lead to 33% higher birth rates among 20-25 year olds: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5046571 . Housing affordability is probably a big factor.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by xnx »

loeg wrote: post #61
rpcope1 wrote: post #17

It's probably going to take way more than just free daycare to make a dent. If declining birthrates can be swung back to a more neutral rate like 2.1, it probably will mean wide reaching financial, cultural, and general societal changes. I think something like the Order of Maternal Glory ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Maternal_Glory ) but for like 3+ kids, where there's additional social standing in additio…

Study in Brazil found that housing access lead to 33% higher birth rates among 20-25 year olds: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5046571 . Housing affordability is probably a big factor.

Shrinking populations should make housing very affordable

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by twelve40 »

xnx wrote: post #62
loeg wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Study in Brazil found that housing access lead to 33% higher birth rates among 20-25 year olds: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5046571 . Housing affordability is probably a big factor.

Shrinking populations should make housing very affordable

somehow, it doesn't work that way. For example, Latvia lost 30% of its population but housing didn't get cheaper.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by twelve40 »

leidenfrost wrote: post #38
rpcope1 wrote: post #17

It's probably going to take way more than just free daycare to make a dent. If declining birthrates can be swung back to a more neutral rate like 2.1, it probably will mean wide reaching financial, cultural, and general societal changes. I think something like the Order of Maternal Glory ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Maternal_Glory ) but for like 3+ kids, where there's additional social standing in additio…

Maybe if they were more open to immigration culturally, a lot of people would happily integrate to their society.

i don't have the numbers, but i started seeing Indian clerks at 7-11 there. never seen them when i lived there a couple decades ago

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by loeg »

xnx wrote: post #62
loeg wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Study in Brazil found that housing access lead to 33% higher birth rates among 20-25 year olds: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5046571 . Housing affordability is probably a big factor.

Shrinking populations should make housing very affordable

We don't want to wait until we're in freefall to correct the decline.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by twelve40 »

j7ake wrote: post #19
rpcope1 wrote: post #17

It's probably going to take way more than just free daycare to make a dent. If declining birthrates can be swung back to a more neutral rate like 2.1, it probably will mean wide reaching financial, cultural, and general societal changes. I think something like the Order of Maternal Glory ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Maternal_Glory ) but for like 3+ kids, where there's additional social standing in additio…

Free day care is amazing. If that doesn’t make a dent then I am not sure what will. Probably free daycare and relaxing immigration would be best to increase population

it's just a form of subsidy, $500-$2000/month worth depending on where

paid for by the people who don't have kids

not very different than just giving out cash or tax credits

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by dyauspitr »

fuzzybear3965 wrote: post #32
dyauspitr wrote: post #16

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You have to listen to crying and lose some sleep for a couple of weeks? You’re an adult, this is possibly the most self absorbed and shortsighted thinking I seen in a while.

Weeks? Try years. As a parent of a newborn, I can confidently say that my wife hasn't had a full night's sleep for even one night since the kid was born in early July - she watches the kid at night (we live in a one bedroom apartment with the crib in our room - it affects me, too, but I try to tune it out and focus on sleep, as breadwinner). She also watches the kid all day while I work (9-11 hours). She's drained. I…

I have two kids. After the first 3 months they were sleeping 7-8 hours through the night.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by yoyohello13 »

teitoklien wrote: post #34
jopsen wrote: post #5

Falling birth rates is a problem in most wealthy industrialized societies. Being up a 4am to greet my wife who's been up since 1am with a screaming child. I'm not sure exactly what kind of benefits could convince us that he needs siblings :) Just saying, that while I certainly applaud the effort. I don't see any easy ways to fix the issue: kids are hard work, there are many other things you could do with your life.

Idk, I love children and being able to comfort kids back to sleep makes me more happy and not annoyed, I’d choose children over a better vacation or a car, I’m not sure why our generation in most countries stopped caring about children. Until this, people would dedicate their lives to their kids, children were the most important thing in people’s lives, everything from friends, to outings, to day to day life, would r…

> Until this, people would dedicate their lives to their kids, children were the most important thing in people’s lives, everything from friends, to outings, to day to day life, would revolve around the child’s best interests and wants.

Is this actually true? I don’t really believe it. Sending your kids to work in the sweatshops doesn’t seem like “best interests and wants.” I think people were just surviving in their time/environment. Like we are now.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Post by srcnkcl »

loeg wrote: post #66
xnx wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shrinking populations should make housing very affordable

We don't want to wait until we're in freefall to correct the decline.

There will never be a free fall. You guys are watching too many dystopic movies.
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