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Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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This is a solved problem and it's astonishing the world hasn't just adopted the Dutch traffic engineering standards outright. It's FASTER for cars and safer for people.

Which standards are you referring to?

https://swov.nl/en/fact-sheet/principles-safe-road-network (national institute for road safety research)

https://crowplatform.com/product/design-manual-for-bicycle-t... (non-profit advisor to the ministry of transport)

Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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So he is saying that people are running the red lights but were not running the stop signs. I would bet good money that the people willing to run the red lights would be more likely to run the stop signs than not, especially if they know there are stop signs on the other road.

Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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Not only legal, but safer than slamming on one's breaks.

Generally speaking if you're going the speed limit you don't need to "slam on your breaks (sic)" to stop before a light turns red unless you didn't have enough time to clear the intersection anyway.

Depends how far you are away from the light when it turns.

Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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I remember my father telling me that was how it was supposed to be done, as the yellow light for oncoming traffic would convince them to stop and give you the time to complete the left turn. It only worked when they weren't also running the yellow light! These days I prefer waiting to turn so that I'm not stuck out in the middle of the intersection when the traffic light changes.

If you are stuck in the middle when turning crossing traffic needs to wait until you clear the intersection.

I find it's better for me to just miss the turn while I wait behind the line. I've seen too many instances where that doesn't work out the way it's intended to want to make it a habit for me anymore.

Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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> I captured two drivers ripping through red lights in that short span Video actually shows two cars entering the intersection on yellow lights, which is legal. The rest of the article seems similarly exaggerated. ---- Edit: For those who disagree, please be aware that the stop lines are out of frame, so both cars are already in the intersection before they're visible on the video. You can get a better picture of wha…

I had to look this up. In California in particular, this is true, which surprised me. Per a random law firm: California’s yellow light law permits drivers to enter an intersection during a yellow light. No violation exists unless any part of the car is over the stopping line when the light turns red. However, the law encourages drivers to slow down before reaching the intersection. Whereas in, for example, Massachuse…

I'm wondering how you would know when the yellow light was going to come on.

Do you have some sort of countdown, or innate knowledge?

Because, otherwise do you just randomly stop at green lights guessing that a yellow light might come on? Or do you drive so slowly that you can stop in the width of the white line before a pedestrian crossing? Really, I'm trying to figure out how you don't ever enter just as a light turns yellow. Once you do, do you stop in the intersection or try to clear it before it turns red? I hope the latter.

For me yellow lights are a warning that a red light is coming. It should be long enough for cars to clear the intersection (in many states without gridlock rules even this is not the case for left hand turns).

My experience in Boston is that drivers try to beat the green light change and accelerate while it's still red.

Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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> I captured two drivers ripping through red lights in that short span Video actually shows two cars entering the intersection on yellow lights, which is legal. The rest of the article seems similarly exaggerated. ---- Edit: For those who disagree, please be aware that the stop lines are out of frame, so both cars are already in the intersection before they're visible on the video. You can get a better picture of wha…

Freeze frame:

https://imgur.com/a/ASSeakh

> the stop lines are out of frame

Is the car in the freeze frame in a legal position given the red light? It would appear not.

Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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> Why don’t lights ever sit idle with the pedestrian crossing on and the cars must wait? The author knows the answer as well as most readers do: because the intersection is being designed with cars in mind, not human beings.

I'm about 99% sure that was a rhetorical question so you can ask yourself why we put cars before people.

People are in cars too.

Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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Correct. They expect safe walking and biking infra to fall from the sky and complain online when it does not.

Pedestrians rightfully expect safe walking and biking infrastructure. Not everyone can drive. Most of those who can't drive also cannot afford a taxi or rideshare. Many of them also do not have friends or family who can get them where they need to go, and reliance on others is extremely demoralizing to independence. That says nothing of the carbon cost in fuel, the microparticle cost in tire and brake dust, or other…

I agree with everything you said except your first sentence. Why should people rightfully expect walking and biking infra to be paid for when it contributes so little to their economy?

Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers

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Roundabouts aren't perfect but they greatly reduce the speed of traffic at the crossing point (while increasing the overall throughput of the intersection). Without looking up statistics (and I'd love to be proven wrong here), I'd be willing to guess that roundabouts may result in some marginal increase in minor accidents but massively reduces fatalities or accidents that leave the pedestrian in the ICU. Additionally…

1-lane roundabouts are OK More than 1-lane and they're a disaster waiting to happen

A disaster for cars, at a slower speed and similar direction than the comparable intersection (and no racing to/from from a light psychology).

So a disaster with significantly better outcomes than a red light runner (with a high speed side swipe or head collision)

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