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Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#61

Post by zxvkhkxvdvbdxz »

mindcrime wrote: post #60
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every model is deprecated in time if evidenced Science is done well, and hopefully replaced by something more accurate in time. There is no absolute right/correctness unless you are a naive child under 25 cheating on structured homework. The point was there is nothing intelligent (or AI) about LLMs except the person fooling themselves. In general, most template libraries already implement the best possible algorithms…

I have no position on whether or not CamperBob is a chat-bot, but they are definitely not being silly. Their point, as I take it, is that it's dangerous to look at the state of "AI" as it is today and then ignore the rate of change . To their stated point from above: > Otherwise, you're going to spend the rest of your career saying things like, "Well, OK, so the last model couldn't count the number of Rs in 'Strawber…

Both you and this chatbot Bob seem to be overly excited by the newfound LLM ability of correctly counting R's in "strawberry".

For many, this is not a very exciting development.

Mind you, we do follow the progress but your argument of "wait and see" is not deserving serious discussion as your stance has turned into faith.

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#62

Post by Joel_Mckay »

mindcrime wrote: post #60
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every model is deprecated in time if evidenced Science is done well, and hopefully replaced by something more accurate in time. There is no absolute right/correctness unless you are a naive child under 25 cheating on structured homework. The point was there is nothing intelligent (or AI) about LLMs except the person fooling themselves. In general, most template libraries already implement the best possible algorithms…

I have no position on whether or not CamperBob is a chat-bot, but they are definitely not being silly. Their point, as I take it, is that it's dangerous to look at the state of "AI" as it is today and then ignore the rate of change . To their stated point from above: > Otherwise, you're going to spend the rest of your career saying things like, "Well, OK, so the last model couldn't count the number of Rs in 'Strawber…

Speculative fiction is entertaining, but not based in reality...

"they are definitely not being silly", that sounds like something a silly person would say. =)

" I posit that that kind of myopia could leave one very under-prepared for the world one lands in." The numerous study data analysis results says otherwise... Thus, still speculative hype until proven otherwise.

Not worried... initially suckered into it as a kid too... then left the world of ML years later because it was always boring, lame, and slow to change. lol =3

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#63

Post by Joel_Mckay »

zxvkhkxvdvbdxz wrote: post #61
mindcrime wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no position on whether or not CamperBob is a chat-bot, but they are definitely not being silly. Their point, as I take it, is that it's dangerous to look at the state of "AI" as it is today and then ignore the rate of change . To their stated point from above: > Otherwise, you're going to spend the rest of your career saying things like, "Well, OK, so the last model couldn't count the number of Rs in 'Strawber…

Both you and this chatbot Bob seem to be overly excited by the newfound LLM ability of correctly counting R's in "strawberry". For many, this is not a very exciting development. Mind you, we do follow the progress but your argument of "wait and see" is not deserving serious discussion as your stance has turned into faith.

The limitations of tokenization does not stop with LLMs it seems for bob.

Please don't down-vote the kids karma, as for me it is more important people feel comfortable having conversations (especially when they are almost 99% sure I'm a turnip connected to a USB port.) =3

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#64

Post by Joel_Mckay »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #55
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean you don't understand the equations/theory, or are having difficulty applying the concepts to design circuits? In the first case, install LTSpice (free from Analog Devices), and head here to run down the basics: https://www.youtube.com/@FesZElectronics/videos And in the latter, go though common basic designs analyzing how they work: https://archive.org/details/encyclopediaofelectroniccircuits... https://a…

Most of my issues seem to be about power - I have no feel for the relevant math, so even as I remember the basic equations and methods, I never feel certain I'm calculating it right. So in terms of hands-on experience, I pretty much jumped straight from burning through-hole resistors with 12V battery to ignite rocket motors made of PVC and caramel fuel, to Arduinos and RPIs and NodeMCUs -- basically, stuff that comes…

Note, part of the fun is the forensic analysis to figure out why stuff didn't work the first time... Maybe a LDO Voron 3d printer kit would be a fun project too =3

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#65

Post by mindcrime »

zxvkhkxvdvbdxz wrote: post #61
mindcrime wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no position on whether or not CamperBob is a chat-bot, but they are definitely not being silly. Their point, as I take it, is that it's dangerous to look at the state of "AI" as it is today and then ignore the rate of change . To their stated point from above: > Otherwise, you're going to spend the rest of your career saying things like, "Well, OK, so the last model couldn't count the number of Rs in 'Strawber…

Both you and this chatbot Bob seem to be overly excited by the newfound LLM ability of correctly counting R's in "strawberry". For many, this is not a very exciting development. Mind you, we do follow the progress but your argument of "wait and see" is not deserving serious discussion as your stance has turned into faith.

Where do you see anything about "excitement" about anything? Quit making up bullshit strawman arguments and deal with the issue in a realistic way already. Sheesh.

I'm not arguing for any specific outcome mind you. But a refusal to acknowledge "rate of change" effects and to assume that the future will be like today is incredibly short-sighted and myopic.

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#66

Post by mindcrime »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #62
mindcrime wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no position on whether or not CamperBob is a chat-bot, but they are definitely not being silly. Their point, as I take it, is that it's dangerous to look at the state of "AI" as it is today and then ignore the rate of change . To their stated point from above: > Otherwise, you're going to spend the rest of your career saying things like, "Well, OK, so the last model couldn't count the number of Rs in 'Strawber…

Speculative fiction is entertaining, but not based in reality... "they are definitely not being silly", that sounds like something a silly person would say. =) " I posit that that kind of myopia could leave one very under-prepared for the world one lands in." The numerous study data analysis results says otherwise... Thus, still speculative hype until proven otherwise. Not worried... initially suckered into it as a k…

"they are definitely not being silly", that sounds like something a silly person would say. =)

Ya know, it's fine to disagree with something. But hand-wavy, shallow dismissals of what someone has to say, with no willingness to even attempt to engage with the content on a rational basis, is unbecoming.

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#67

Post by ycombiredd »

mindcrime wrote: post #66
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speculative fiction is entertaining, but not based in reality... "they are definitely not being silly", that sounds like something a silly person would say. =) " I posit that that kind of myopia could leave one very under-prepared for the world one lands in." The numerous study data analysis results says otherwise... Thus, still speculative hype until proven otherwise. Not worried... initially suckered into it as a k…

"they are definitely not being silly", that sounds like something a silly person would say. =) Ya know, it's fine to disagree with something. But hand-wavy, shallow dismissals of what someone has to say, with no willingness to even attempt to engage with the content on a rational basis, is unbecoming.

I can’t help but have the thought that the Joel_McKay in this conversation is itself an LLM having been prompted to flippantly disregard and downplay mentions of a.i., and LLMs specifically.

I’m not saying it is true , but I am saying it made the tone and content of his messages in this thread seem a lot more self-consistent and explainable when I re-read them with that context in mind. :-)

(@Joel_McKay: apologies for downplaying your sapience - human, LLM or otherwise.)

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#69

Post by Joel_Mckay »

mindcrime wrote: post #66
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speculative fiction is entertaining, but not based in reality... "they are definitely not being silly", that sounds like something a silly person would say. =) " I posit that that kind of myopia could leave one very under-prepared for the world one lands in." The numerous study data analysis results says otherwise... Thus, still speculative hype until proven otherwise. Not worried... initially suckered into it as a k…

"they are definitely not being silly", that sounds like something a silly person would say. =) Ya know, it's fine to disagree with something. But hand-wavy, shallow dismissals of what someone has to say, with no willingness to even attempt to engage with the content on a rational basis, is unbecoming.

Failure to back up the assertion about "AI" existing in LLMs means there is no meaningful conversation to be had, but I offered to wait for a coherent argument in a time-bound manner. =3

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

#70

Post by Joel_Mckay »

ycombiredd wrote: post #67
mindcrime wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"they are definitely not being silly", that sounds like something a silly person would say. =) Ya know, it's fine to disagree with something. But hand-wavy, shallow dismissals of what someone has to say, with no willingness to even attempt to engage with the content on a rational basis, is unbecoming.

I can’t help but have the thought that the Joel_McKay in this conversation is itself an LLM having been prompted to flippantly disregard and downplay mentions of a.i., and LLMs specifically. I’m not saying it is true , but I am saying it made the tone and content of his messages in this thread seem a lot more self-consistent and explainable when I re-read them with that context in mind. :-) (@Joel_McKay: apologies fo…

I assure you I am 100% turnip. =3
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