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Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Question to people knowing adobe lightroom, could this feature be compromised? Is this just doing API calls to some remote thing?

I'm not sure what you mean by compromised but I'm pretty sure Adobe Firefly AI features are server-based. These features are too good to be done locally.

Plus even if it could be done locally, doing it server-side has the side benefit (for Adobe) of making it trivial to prevent pirates from ever being able to use those features.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Question to people knowing adobe lightroom, could this feature be compromised? Is this just doing API calls to some remote thing?

Lightroom has a local Heal/Remove feature, and at least with LR Classic you have to tick a box for the AI remove, which processes it on Adobe servers.

As for whether it can be compromised... Probably? It sends all or some of your photo to a remove server, so that can certainly be taken.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Ok I'm getting tired of this habit of deep linking to apps. The apps either override existing web pages featuring the same content, or there's a web redirect to an app I might have installed but am not signed into. So in multiple cases, it's difficult to just read whatever the information is. Web pages are universally accessible. Everyone has a browser on their device of choice. The web is 35 years old. Access to inf…

I don’t know why you’re getting dogpiled over this, it’s a terrible experience of creeping non-consensual computation. I had the official bsky app installed, but I ended up with Graysky at some point and just forgot about it, and somewhere along the way my browser vendor (Apple) and the app vendor (bsky) decided that I would probably tolerate this horseshit. Reddit pulls the same shit but that’s extra special because…

Because the problem is perfectly avoidable with very little technical understanding, and this is Hacker News.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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“Large company ships half baked product” has gotta be the least interesting story to read

Sure, if you view this as an isolated incident. But I think of it more as the latest example of the larger trend of how the industry has gone mad actively making their products worse with half-baked AI features. That is a more interesting story.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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post #65

“Large company ships half baked product” has gotta be the least interesting story to read

Sure, if you view this as an isolated incident. But I think of it more as the latest example of the larger trend of how the industry has gone mad actively making their products worse with half-baked AI features. That is a more interesting story.

Is it actively worse, though? My impression is that all of the other, classical-based in-painting methods are still alive and well in Adobe products. And I think their in-painting works well, when it does work. To me, this honestly sounds like an improvement, especially in a creative tool like Lightroom or Photoshop --- the artist has more options to achieve their vision; it's usually understood to be up to the artist to use the tools appropriately.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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“Large company ships half baked product” has gotta be the least interesting story to read

THe fact that we call it least interesting shows exactly how interesting it is that we just accept that companies are expected to ship broken slop.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's any AI-fication going on in that photo. The modified version has a more compressed tone curve to bring out more detail, along with jacked up saturation (especially evident for water). This is similar to what most cell phones do by default to make photos look more pleasing. I do agree that the original looks better, but the author of the post clearly prefers the modified version.

Clipped highlights in digital photography are simply impossible to eliminate in post-processing without conjuring nonexistent information. Even if you shoot raw. Different raw processors use different tricks, color propagation and such, but naturally they are best used when highlights are really small. I would not be surprised if tools like Lightroom invoke ML at the first hint of clipping (because why not, if you al…

> Clipped highlights in digital photography are simply impossible to eliminate in post-processing without conjuring nonexistent information. Even if you shoot raw.

Huh? This used to be true twenty years ago, but modern sensors in prosumer cameras capture a lot more dynamic range than can be displayed on the screen or conveyed in a standard JPEG. If you shoot raw, you absolutely have the information needed to rescue nominally clipped highlights. You get 2-4 stops of latitude without any real effort.

The problem here is different. If the rest of the scene is exposed correctly, you have to choose one or another. Overexposed highlights or underexposed subject. The workaround is to use tone mapping or local contrast tricks, but these easily give your photos a weird "HDR" look.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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I have to say that I think the photo without the Ligthroom processing actually looks better. The second one hasn't just added a bitcoin, it has also added the "AI shimmer" that seems to be a part of a lot of generated images. I can't put my finger on exactly what the characteristic is, but my first instinct (separate from the bitcoin, which was hard to find) is "that's an AI picture." Someone should just spend some t…

This reminds me of the soap-opera effect[0] on modern tvs. I have difficulty watching a movie on someone’s tv with it enabled, but they don’t even seem to notice. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_opera_effect

A truly bizarre effect. One of the first times in my life I was ever thinking "wait, this looks TOO smooth. it's weird". As if my eyes just instinctively knew there were fake frames (before I understood the concept of "frames").

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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I have to say that I think the photo without the Ligthroom processing actually looks better. The second one hasn't just added a bitcoin, it has also added the "AI shimmer" that seems to be a part of a lot of generated images. I can't put my finger on exactly what the characteristic is, but my first instinct (separate from the bitcoin, which was hard to find) is "that's an AI picture." Someone should just spend some t…

I don't think there's any AI-fication going on in that photo. The modified version has a more compressed tone curve to bring out more detail, along with jacked up saturation (especially evident for water). This is similar to what most cell phones do by default to make photos look more pleasing. I do agree that the original looks better, but the author of the post clearly prefers the modified version.

Oh, yeah, compression of the dynamic range combined with increase brightness makes sense. It's not exactly just stable diffusion that produces that look, but also things like ML filters, etc.
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