Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

congestion-pricing-tracker.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 653 posts

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#61

Post by rangestransform »

nfRfqX5n wrote: post #52
woodruffw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Living in the suburbs is perfectly fine; I think a perfectly virtuous outcome here would be that people keep living in the suburbs if they wish, but have adequately funded suburban rail and bus transit into the city. An important piece of context is that NYC has some of the US's best suburban transit, including three different suburban rail systems (NJT, MNRR, LIRR) and one non-subway interurban rapid transit system…

Problem is, none of the money from congestion pricing is shared with NJ transit/infra

NYS offered, NJ sued NYS, NJ lost

It would be a completely ok thing for NYS to tell NJ $0 get bent, NJ coulda spent turnpike widening money on transit instead of begging from NYS

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#62

Post by rangestransform »

brettgriffin wrote: post #32
mlinhares wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driving and parking in NYC is already a luxury, there’s no poor person driving and parking there.

There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas.

Giving NYCHA residents free parking spots was bananas

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#63

Post by gotoeleven »

paxys wrote: post #50
gkoberger wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with disliking the things you mentioned, could it be argued that adding barriers to entry for getting into the city will just increase WFH and hurt SF more? I can see a lot of people choosing to just stay home rather than take a bus – not everyone is close to MUNI or BART.

Reducing the number of daily commuters isn't going to "hurt" the city. Quite the opposite in fact. Actual residents make the city what it is, and reducing traffic/congestion/honking/pollution is going to make it a much more attractive place to live.

[flagged]

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#64

Post by ajsnigrutin »

taatof wrote: post #53
maxwellg wrote: post #11

I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.

How do we get around? To get downtown I have to take two busses and then bart (or two busses but it takes longer because there are a lot more stops). The kicker: I'm not even in a suburb, I live in SF! All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better. At least NYC has a plenty good enough train system. I end up WFH anyway, largely because it's annoying to get to an office downtown…

> All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better.

Same happening here in my smallish (~300k peeople) capital of a small eu country...

Too many cars? More expensive parking! Less parking! More expensive parking! Less parking! More pedestrian-only streets, and even more cars around that...

And the buses? They suck. The city is roughly star-shaped.. want to go from one leg to another? Well, you have to cross the city center. Sunday? Half of the buses don't drive then. Something happening in the city center? Good luck with getting on the last bus after the event is over, and no extra buses added. Dog? Not during "rush hours" (6.30-9:30 and 13-17h). AC? Barely any. Two buses needed? No time sinchronization at all. Train-bus time sychronization? haha good luck. Need to go just a stop or two? It's expensive. Need to go across the whole town? It's slow, even with empty streets.

But hey, parking will be made even more expensive!

edit: also, a student? You get cheaper transport! Here's a line for you to wait to get the transport card: https://www.zurnal24.si/slovenija/pred-okenci-prevoznikov-pr...

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#66

Post by throwaway48476 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #33

Note that a gimped version of congestion pricing was actually implemented, putting it closer to being an annoyance more than an actual deterrence. Originally it was meant to be $15, but was ultimately lowered to $9.

It wasn't gimped, it was a PR play so the governor could claim to be saving citizens costs by 'lowering' it. Like when people buy things they otherwise wouldn't have because it was 'on sale' so they're really saving money if you think about it.

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#67

Post by gotoeleven »

woodruffw wrote: post #59
nfRfqX5n wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem is, none of the money from congestion pricing is shared with NJ transit/infra

That's because they turned it down[1]. New Jersey has decided that their strategy is going to be to dig their heels in and hope for a supportive administration, rather than plan for the next century of growth in the economic region that powers their state. [1]: https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2024/12/18/nj-refusing-generous-...

Sweet lord have you ever tasted a peach grown in new jersey? What the hell is going on in that state.

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#68

Post by supernova87a »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #58

There's a lot of interest in forcing people to use public transit but relatively little interest in making transit something people want to use. If people think they're going to be stabbed or assaulted they're not going to want to use it. Other countries don't have this problem and until the transit types realize this normal people are going to reject transit alltogether.

The USA needs to work on:

-- making the cost of employing a good staffing level of police more affordable (so that we can have more, everyday police doing a job as a neighborhood force and seen as a reliable presence against crime)

-- more certain prosecution and penalties for quality of life crimes that we all pay for in seeing petty but significantly confidence-decreasing incidents that reduce our willingness to take public transport

-- reducing the cost / increasing the frequency and usefulness of public transport services where you regard it equally as convenient as private vehicles

You go to some other countries (less rich ones particularly) and buses have 2 crew, trains have multiple staff, taking fares, making sure rules are obeyed. Giving people confidence that this is something they want to ride on. Not a system where it looks like the station is half abandoned, was last cleaned about 2 years ago, and if you were mugged or even just reported a crazy ranting homeless person, they would shrug and tell you to phone it in.

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#69

Post by taatof »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #64
taatof wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we get around? To get downtown I have to take two busses and then bart (or two busses but it takes longer because there are a lot more stops). The kicker: I'm not even in a suburb, I live in SF! All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better. At least NYC has a plenty good enough train system. I end up WFH anyway, largely because it's annoying to get to an office downtown…

> All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better. Same happening here in my smallish (~300k peeople) capital of a small eu country... Too many cars? More expensive parking! Less parking! More expensive parking! Less parking! More pedestrian-only streets, and even more cars around that... And the buses? They suck. The city is roughly star-shaped.. want to go from one leg to anoth…

Sounds right. Here in SF, instead of police pulling over people who speed and run stop signs, we're getting rid of parking spots within 20ft of intersections so people speeding and running stop signs can see if they're about to kill a pedestrian.

Could raise a fortune for public transit if we enforced traffic laws and used that money.

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

#70

Post by vvern »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #58

There's a lot of interest in forcing people to use public transit but relatively little interest in making transit something people want to use. If people think they're going to be stabbed or assaulted they're not going to want to use it. Other countries don't have this problem and until the transit types realize this normal people are going to reject transit alltogether.

I don’t think in NYC it’s fair to argue that there’s relatively little interest in making transit something people want to use. We can debate about whether the efforts are effective, and certainly many aren’t. However there are vast sums invested in the MTA and a great many folks at the MTA who try to make it pleasant and safe. Additionally there have been added police and military presence in subway stations around the city for months (again, no comment on efficacy). All I’ll say is that there is a ton of interest from leadership on down in making the subway and buses work well for normal people and far more money then congestion pricing cost to implement or will bring in.
Post reply on HN