Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Who killed the rave?

ft.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 854 posts

Re: Who killed the rave?

#61

Post by nlnn »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #24

In my time night clubs were about hooking up, guess no need for that in the age of tinder?

It probably depends on the type of club/event.

Back in the day, there were rave/dance type clubs which were all about the dancing. They'd typically have focused genres of music, well known or regular DJs, etc.

Then there were more generic nightclubs (usually in University towns) which were where people went to either get drunk or hook up. Those would typically not focus much on music (usually playing crowd pleasers, 50s/60s/70s/80s/ tunes etc.), and instead bringing people in with cheap drinks offers, foam parties, fancy dress nights, etc.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#62

Post by omnimus »

gazunklenut wrote: post #44
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #24

In my time night clubs were about hooking up, guess no need for that in the age of tinder?

What? That's kind of creepy. Raves are and always have been about dancing. The creeps walking around looking for hookups are just that, a bunch of weird creeps that annoy people trying to dance. Edit: To clarify, it's creepy becaucse a lot of people are on something and pretty vulnerable, they're there to dance and enjoy the music and now some creep is trying to get in their pants while they're rolling and drunk

At same time this is pretty disingenuous calling people creeps. Yes you don't go to raves to look for hookups but at same time its social occasion and you can meet many people (in all kinds of states). And stuff wears off. So many people end up with new contacts if not straight up going with someone home. You know MDMA and sex match pretty well...

Re: Who killed the rave?

#63

Post by celticninja »

yieldcrv wrote: post #42
celticninja wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We go for the vibe not the facilities

And more people are satisfied with the vibes at the better facilities

Those are the people that would not be satisfied with the vibe and would actually detract from it, if they didn't like the facilities.

But sure you go mass appeal and you get a manufactured mass appeal vibe, which on the scale of rave vibes is a 3 or 4 and the scale is exponential.

If you don't know you don't know but it's worth checking it out if you can.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#65

Post by immibis »

llamaimperative wrote: post #55
quchen wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fear-mongering, broad and unfounded generalization. It’s a edgelord comment that serves no useful discussion. It’s not what HN is for, and downvoting is the way to show this.

Ahhh, I interpreted this as an oblique reference to accidental overdoses from impure/laced drugs which is a huge problem in the US and probably a real deterrent. I realize now from the other responses this was maybe a reference to exploding pagers, which is dependent on (I suppose) the view that raves in Europe are heavily attended by people of middle eastern descent? That’s not really the “known-as-ravers” crowd her…

On second thought I think it was meant to be a reference to October 7, 2023. I've seen similar stickers at some, back in summer, with messages like "What if terrorists blew up YOUR music festival? #supportisrael"

Took a while to work it out though. Why can't people just say what they mean?

I find it kind of despicable that someone would spend the effort to highlight a terrorist attack against a rave, but ignore the background of terrorist attacks against important stuff like schools, hospitals and residences.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#66

Post by pfdietz »

api wrote: post #49
yieldcrv wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get that impression here in California I have noticed that after normalizing anything, counterculture areas of California will always have something even more unfamiliar trying to get tolerated and representation But I don’t see what you’re referring to I think there is a disinterest in illicit raves because the market has reached parity and beyond for the experience that the market actually enjoyed. If it fa…

To me the giveaway is the decline in sexual experience among young people. This is like a top line KPI for youth culture and socialization since when people have a lot of positive social interaction and mutual bonding experiences they tend to have sex. Loads of people have commented on these trends. I’m not pointing out anything new, but I do think a lot of people don’t see it because it’s hidden behind a facade of v…

I suspect the conservative backlash is being driven by economics, and this driver will only get stronger, perhaps much stronger.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#67

Post by immibis »

yieldcrv wrote: post #52
api wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me the giveaway is the decline in sexual experience among young people. This is like a top line KPI for youth culture and socialization since when people have a lot of positive social interaction and mutual bonding experiences they tend to have sex. Loads of people have commented on these trends. I’m not pointing out anything new, but I do think a lot of people don’t see it because it’s hidden behind a facade of v…

Okay this is an interesting topic but I think you are conflating several things. The decline in sexual experience is occurring in California metros too. Its really interesting how the behaviors have shifted and surprising to me. But people are bonding, social, far less exclusionary, inclusive to things they’ve never heard of - unless you’re the wrong star sign, ironically, or political party. I date 20-somethings, it…

> unless you’re the wrong star sign, ironically, or political party.

These things are very different and do not belong in the same list, and I've noticed that when people do put them together, they're often trying to make the point that political party is just another arbitrary inherent attribute like race, rather than a serious reflection of someone's character. Can you explain why you think they belong together?

Re: Who killed the rave?

#68

Post by JumpCrisscross »

api wrote: post #49
yieldcrv wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get that impression here in California I have noticed that after normalizing anything, counterculture areas of California will always have something even more unfamiliar trying to get tolerated and representation But I don’t see what you’re referring to I think there is a disinterest in illicit raves because the market has reached parity and beyond for the experience that the market actually enjoyed. If it fa…

To me the giveaway is the decline in sexual experience among young people. This is like a top line KPI for youth culture and socialization since when people have a lot of positive social interaction and mutual bonding experiences they tend to have sex. Loads of people have commented on these trends. I’m not pointing out anything new, but I do think a lot of people don’t see it because it’s hidden behind a facade of v…

> the giveaway is the decline in sexual experience among young people

Do we have statistics on sex from the age of opium? (Gen Z is the first smartphone-with-unregulated-social generation.)

Re: Who killed the rave?

#69

Post by yardie »

api wrote: post #49
yieldcrv wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get that impression here in California I have noticed that after normalizing anything, counterculture areas of California will always have something even more unfamiliar trying to get tolerated and representation But I don’t see what you’re referring to I think there is a disinterest in illicit raves because the market has reached parity and beyond for the experience that the market actually enjoyed. If it fa…

To me the giveaway is the decline in sexual experience among young people. This is like a top line KPI for youth culture and socialization since when people have a lot of positive social interaction and mutual bonding experiences they tend to have sex. Loads of people have commented on these trends. I’m not pointing out anything new, but I do think a lot of people don’t see it because it’s hidden behind a facade of v…

> the decline in sexual experience among young people

Can I push back just a bit. I'm the parent of a teenager and we've had the talk. The kids are alright. When I was a teen I felt everyone felt pressure to be sexually active. While the boys carried the brunt of peer pressure it was the girls who had to deal with the actual fallout. Todays teens are dealing with a lot right now. And my impression is they have a healthier relationship with sex then our generation ever did. Girls have agency, and outside of the social media chucklefucks it's taboo to be serial sexual harasser and be treated with any sort of respect.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#70

Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on listings website Resident Advisor.

Club nights are not raves. Raves are (usually) not posted on RA. The underground scene is doing just fine.

Post reply on HN