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A path to O1 open source

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Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by visarga »

newyankee wrote: post #4

I guess now the strategy of OpenAI would be to keep the small edge all the time, integrate it with businesses fast & possibly kickstart new businesses by supporting them and trying to be synonymous with the best in AI (may be with Deepmind). I cannot think of any other moat, unless somehow they have a lot of proprietary and useful data (like in company) that others cannot replicate

But that edge will become more and more expensive, while the competition will cover more and more of the task space and make it less profitable for OAI

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by zb3 »

benatkin wrote: post #48
xoxosc wrote: post #9

Is it me or the first link on the site http://ability.openai is broken? Is openai a tld now?

They should correct the name to closedai before they get the TLD, since there's an administrative cost to these TLDs. All of them are here though. No .openai. https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db .open is among the worst. :/ > Purchasing a .open domain name isn't available to the general public. This particular extension is owned by American Express and currently isn't for sale or open to registration, limiting its u…

.open is as open as OpenAI so I guess it's a good fit :)

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by lern_too_spel »

skissane wrote: post #41
basilgohar wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not open source. "HarmonyOS NEXT (Chinese: 鸿蒙星河版; pinyin: Hóngméng Xīnghébǎn) is a proprietary distributed operating system and a major iteration of HarmonyOS, developed by Huawei to support only HarmonyOS native apps." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS_NEXT

HarmonyOS NEXT is based on an open source core, OpenHarmony [0], with proprietary additions. So, not hugely dissimilar from iOS (lots of bits of which are open source, most significantly the core of its XNU kernel) and Android (considering that the proprietary Google Mobile Services is de facto a mandatory component) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenHarmony

The Taco Bell kiosk and your exercise bike don't need the "mandatory" GMS.

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by halayli »

> has claimed that the main techinique behinds o1 is the reinforcement learining.

Typos in the first sentence of the paper doesn't give confidence that I am about to read something worthwhile.

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by kcorbitt »

Lots of folks working on open-source reasoning models trained with reinforcement learning right now. The best one atm appears to be Alibaba's 32B-parameter QwQ: https://qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwq-32b-preview/

I also recently wrote a blog explaining how reinforcement fine-tuning works, which is likely at least part of the pipeline used to train o1: https://openpipe.ai/blog/openai-rft

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by lgessler »

halayli wrote: post #64

> has claimed that the main techinique behinds o1 is the reinforcement learining. Typos in the first sentence of the paper doesn't give confidence that I am about to read something worthwhile.

I think this is both a harmful and irrational attitude. Why focus on some trivial mechanical errors and disparage the authors for it instead of the thing that is much more important, i.e., the substance of the work? And in dismissing work for such trivial reasons, you risk ignoring things you might have otherwise found interesting.

In an ideal world would second-language speakers of English proofread assiduously? Of course, yes. But time is finite, and in cases like this, so long as a threshold of comprehensibility is cleared, I always give the benefit of the doubt to the authors and surmise that they spent their limited resources focusing on what's more important. (I'd have a much different opinion if this were marketing copy instead of a research paper, of course.)

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by xvector »

mrayycombi wrote: post #53

From the first few paragraphs it doesn't pass the sniff test for me. "Now AI has made everything more complex!" "AI is embedded in everything we do"... Sounds like marketing gibberish and obfuscation, combined with self promotion. That's just my read at first sniff.

This is absolutely a worthless fluff paper

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by greenchair »

melvinmelih wrote: post #19
mig39 wrote: post #15

Is this a joke? Why are there so many spelling mistakes? "Inteiligence" "challanging" “learining” What is going on?

> Zhiyuan Zeng, Qinyuan Cheng, Zhangyue Yin, Bo Wang, Shimin Li, Yunhua Zhou, Qipeng Guo, Xuanjing Huang, Xipeng Qiu I'm guessing English isn't their first language.

and too lazy to run spell check
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