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Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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If it is triggered by the customizations you did in Firefox, then running a fresh Firefox in a container might help: docker run -it --rm -e DISPLAY --net=host -v $XAUTHORITY:/root/.Xauthority -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix debian:12-slim Then inside the container, run: apt update apt install firefox-esr firefox

what is the advantage here over just running 'firefox -ProfileManager' and making a clean profile?

OP mentioned that they run a heavily modified browser, I think it means compiled with changes - docker means stock Firefox

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Can't you have a normal firefox profile for such cases? Do you have any javascript filters? I bet the issue must be related to configs messing with the JS runtime.

The issue is scummy companies like cloudflare which are causing these issues. If your software is blocking legitimate users then your software is shit at its job. It's not the users fault.

>The issue is scummy companies like cloudflare which are causing these issues. If your software is blocking legitimate users then your software is shit at its job. It's not the users fault.

But if you're going out of your way to look suspicious (ie. "I use a heavily customized Firefox config on Linux"), surely you'd agree at some point it goes from "your software is shit at its job" to "it's your fault for looking suspicious"? If you walk into bank wearing a balaclava and get stopped by security, it's not really "security is shit at its job".

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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While you hit the nail on the head, I am still surprised that so many tools targeted at people like me (web hosting, developer tools, etc.) are protected that way.

They are not targeting people like you. Bots are the target. If you look like a bot, how are they going to distinguish?

Their problem. They are not entitled to make it other people's problem.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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CrimeFlare is not interested in these problems for the users. If you have access to the hosting side, you can adjust the bot score for specific connections/clients. But consumers don't matter to CF so apart from jumping through their hoops, there's nothing better you can do. Unless you accept the racket of course, start paying them and proxy your traffic through the CF workers https://github.com/pellaeon/cloudflare-w…

>Unless you accept the racket of course, start paying them and proxy your traffic through the CF workers https://github.com/pellaeon/cloudflare-worker-proxy and magically most barriers will disappear. Source this actually works? ie. that using cloudflare workers allows you to bypass cloudflare protection?

https://jychp.medium.com/how-to-bypass-cloudflare-bot-protec... and many other posts. Haven't looked into this in a while, so can't tell you exactly how effective it is today. (Definitely corrects the high bot score of your IP though)

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not targeting people like you. Bots are the target. If you look like a bot, how are they going to distinguish?

Their problem. They are not entitled to make it other people's problem.

If I have a process that works for 95% of the people, why should I care about outliers who use Linux behind a VPN on a heavily customized version of Firefox?

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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I'm convinced that's mostly incompetence on the side of the companies that implement that protection. "We have a problem with bots" - "Just create a firewall rule, whatever"

What other way would you suggest to protect a free service from bots? Cloudflare is often the easiest to implement and has a generous limit on their free plan.

Oh, they absolutely are, I don't disagree -- I use them too.

But the immediate response to bots shouldn't be "make everyone go through a captcha". There's lots of nuance that you can tune to deal with your particular situation, but the first thing I'd do is block known bots or ASNs, set up a limit to trigger (bots usually don't make 1 document request a minute), set up higher limits for users who (seem to) have a valid cookie indicating that they are logged in, set up different thresholds for certain countries that are more risky etc etc.

What you need to protect your service depends on your situation, it's not a one-size-fits-all solution. E.g. I find that I have no automated contact form spam once I add a simple JS to add some data that isn't standard, but I'm sure that wouldn't hold up if there was enough incentive to try to get past it.

But the OP mentioned not just free services, but e.g. webhosting logins. That's just sad, as is Cloudflare's community being behind an aggressive captcha. I'm a user, I'm logged in, I've posted before, I'm in good standing, yet when I go there, I need to solve a captcha. When I then go there again an hour later, guess what, another captcha.

Either there's another reason I'm not seeing or it's just lazyness as in "we need to have a forum but we really don't want to spend any resources on it, just put up an aggressive captcha that'll filter out most bots and everyone but the determined users".

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their problem. They are not entitled to make it other people's problem.

If I have a process that works for 95% of the people, why should I care about outliers who use Linux behind a VPN on a heavily customized version of Firefox?

Because they are standards compliant and you aren't, and you are legally required to provide an unsubscribe service or whatever without undue barriers around it.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Yes, I run into it from time to time. I just move on. If someone is going to make their website inaccessible to me, I'm not going to bend over backwards to try to work around that.

Incidentally, since I configured DNS over HTTPS in Firefox, using Cloudflare's DNS, it seems I see this much less often.

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