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Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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Re: Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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Because Zuckerberg has a generally weasely reputation and also I don't see the other platforms being nearly as scummy as Facebook has been (Instagram as you probably know is also owned by Facebook and people are similarly tired of the constant spam)

Focusing on one particular company distracts from the fact that this is a result of systemic incentives. It is the incentives that need to change, not any particular company. Facebook / Instagram is crap, but so is Tiktok, Youtube, Reddit, etc. The fundamental problem is the business model where money is parasitised from people's attention. You want change? Make these companies responsible for the negative externalit…

I will just point out Facebook has been accused of gaming metrics (among other things, autoplaying videos)

Which can lead to websites like Reddit making unpopular changes to try to match Facebook's market cap (I think I've read they were specifically trying to do that)

If you create fake metrics everyone else will copy you in a race to the bottom

No other CEO begins the company with "If you need info on people at Harvard, just ask, they trust me, dumb fucks"

Re: Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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Why are you still using it? I dropped FB about 12 years ago, have not looked back since. I ask people this question who still use FB and complain about terrible it is. They answer with some generic "to stay in touch with such and such" which is easier and less invasive to do with SMS or email. So, why are you still using it?

I use it for events. It aggregates most of the small and large music and other events in the city into a single place, and shows me when a friend is "interested" or "going" to the event. I have forgotten how we did this before Facebook. But there are many events only advertised on Facebook! For others, I'd need to check 20+ websites every week to keep up. RSS is no longer implemented on these sites, neither are aggre…

> I have forgotten how we did this before Facebook

Radio, newspaper, word-of-mouth, local bulletin boards, email and print newsletters, advertising posters, etc. I might be dating myself, but that's how we got word out about things in urban areas, back in the day.

The way I see it, as a person who has dealt with actual substance abuse and understands an addiction when it presents itself, we have collectively become hooked on social media and give ourselves all sorts of excuses as to why it's better than the way we used to keep in touch or get the word out. Every one of those excuses is really just us giving things up that we cannot get back (such as time and privacy), things that others profit greatly from exploiting, all cloaked in a Trenchcoat of Convenience.

It is likely very easy for you to advertise your music events with a few clicks, yes? It beats walking around town, posting bills and leaving flyers on corner store countertops...in terms of footwork, anyway. But we lose that connection with the community around us in exchange for the illusion of a broader network that is filled with superficial relationships, at best.

> But there are many events only advertised on Facebook!

And there's the rub. These event organizers are giving FB permission to dominate our lives and extract/exploit whatever it wishes from us simply because they wanted to do a little less footwork.

I used to go to local shows at least two or three times a month in my younger days, prior to FB or even MySpace and Friendster, for that matter. I never felt like I was missing any because I didn't hear about them, since it was not hard to catch wind of this or that venue's upcoming bookings. Even the punk shows, which sometimes were organized the day of, knew how to spread the word. We were all connected, but on a more personal level, and I seem to remember less in-fighting within the groups versus what I saw back when I used FB. Online, it seems like people are at each others throats with much more ease, perhaps driven by the social shield of a keyboard, which told me that maybe we were not really meant to be quite that connected with each other. Part of me blames the fatigue that came with our over-exposure to each other being the keystone to exploiting us on a mass scale, be it to sway political opinion, impose oppression or just sell us a product we never needed.

Social media changed our landscape, so it's pretty much impossible to go back to "the way things were," but none of us are expecting that, I think. We need new ways to spread the word, ways that don't exploit us as profitable and disposable soft product. Email could be a start. We beat that drum of email being filled with spam for so many years that it's hard to separate our views on email from that, despite spam filters being pretty darned good now, and various methodologies of mitigating spam to your primary inbox in the first place. There's at least a dozen newsletters I subscribe to and read because it's actually pretty darned convenient, now that my inbox is not filled with spam. Things have changed on that front, so where else have they improved? Is Bluesky a better option than Twitter? Would people still pick up flyers from the counter of a local pizza joint? Can we use VOIP numbers for SMS about local events so nobody's real phone number is being put on a list somewhere?

I see the problem and am open to solutions, but those solutions need to come from the people who think they need FB in their lives, I think.

Re: Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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Create additional engagement ... with nonexistent entities.

So Facebook maintains it's commitment to promoting the opposite of a healthy society.

I actually can't decide if non-human interactions on Facebook are a better or worse option than the current echo chambers.

Re: Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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My FB timeline is already a complete mess with most irrelevant garbage as it stands. Not exactly sure what adding additional 'noise' is going to achieve outside of boosting numbers (which I guess is what they want). A current snapshot my feed: - Group post (from one I follow) - Ad - Post (from company I don't follow) - Group post (from Group I don't follow) - Group post (from one I follow) - Ad - Group post (from Gro…

Any time I see a post with the "Follow" link, I click the X or triple dot to hide or signify disinterest. They appear as a flood, but the system gives up and I get a several week reprieve from unwanted suggestions.

Re: Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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My FB timeline is already a complete mess with most irrelevant garbage as it stands. Not exactly sure what adding additional 'noise' is going to achieve outside of boosting numbers (which I guess is what they want). A current snapshot my feed: - Group post (from one I follow) - Ad - Post (from company I don't follow) - Group post (from Group I don't follow) - Group post (from one I follow) - Ad - Group post (from Gro…

Why are you still using it? I dropped FB about 12 years ago, have not looked back since. I ask people this question who still use FB and complain about terrible it is. They answer with some generic "to stay in touch with such and such" which is easier and less invasive to do with SMS or email. So, why are you still using it?

Marketplace… somehow they took over the marketplace for used stuff and killed cl. OfferUp was always crap so it doesn’t count.

Re: Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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The answer is network effect and friction . It is hard to communicate to everyone on your friends list that moving forward they can reach you via email or text only. It’s going to work with close friends and family but other people that want to reach out will not be able to find you. And there are always cases when you want to connect (or be easy to find) with someone who is not a close acquaintance.

I'm not trying to be combative, but that still seems like a very weak reason. And it's one that I used to use, not just with FB, but Twitter, IG and LinkedIn. They all held the same promise and failed to deliver it. The idea that we need to be constantly networking is overblown, to say the least. When you step back and have an honest conversation with yourself about how much having access to these people you occasion…

Your reasons are even weaker. We don't need to be constantly networking but for better or worse, Meta platforms have become the only remaining effective ways to get updates from a large group of extended family and friends spread out all over the world. Like if my second cousin in Indiana has a baby I'd like to know, and I didn't think they're going to announce it via email.

Re: Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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Why are you still using it? I dropped FB about 12 years ago, have not looked back since. I ask people this question who still use FB and complain about terrible it is. They answer with some generic "to stay in touch with such and such" which is easier and less invasive to do with SMS or email. So, why are you still using it?

Marketplace… somehow they took over the marketplace for used stuff and killed cl. OfferUp was always crap so it doesn’t count.

I haven't used Facebook itself for 7 or 8 years now, but had to break down and make a private account just to access Marketplace. For buying used cars private party today, it seems like Marketplace is the only good option.

Re: Meta Wants More AI Bots on Facebook and Instagram

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Instagram just asked if I wanted to chat with a Hawk Tuah AI bot.

To me that’s the clearest possible evidence that the product people over there have basically given up.

It reminds me of when Facebook went all-in on Live Video in 2016 — a product direction that pretty obviously came from the top.

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